leroy

I'm a big CZ fan (....rifles, pistol, and shotguns...). They been makin that stuff a long time. I've got an old eagle/swastika marked CZ27 with all the bluing worn off (...i would bet from ww2 carry and in someones overall bib pockets...) in 32 acp that is as great a shooter for a little gun as ive ever had. This little widow maker is at least 80 years old and doin a great job. Their aint any bad to report. Enjoy your new CZ leroy

I like it!! I bet it works good. Be sure to let us know about the range report. enjoy leroy

Bad is right. The CM kahrs are a great idea. Quite a bit of punch in a small package. I've never shot a kahr, but i have dry fired 'em. They seem to be like a pretty good double action smith. Can ya "mechanic" the trigger assemblies on these like on a glock; or do ya need to? leroy

Dont:___________ Check this link out: Collectors Firearms . I always look to these guys or to Cherry's Fine Guns for info on this stuff. Enjoy leroy

Mike:___________ I said that a secific type of outsider is the problem. Here is what i said: You seem to be equating the "you aint from around here" thing with nativist unkindness and snobbery. That aint necessarily so. The latino community aint from around here and they are some of the most hard working folk ya can find. My next door neighbors "aint from around here" and they are delightful people who moved down to escape a cesspool called New York City. One of my best work buddies moved to knoxville from Dearborn Michigan and raised a family here. He still retains the michigan accent (...and abrupt lack of manners....); while being extremely productive. The list goes on and on. The fact is that you either are from around here or you aint. All that is ok if you are a producer and contributor. The fact is that each individual stands on his or her own specific merits, whether he or she is "from around here or not". Thanks for the Christmas kindness. Here's sending one to you and your folks as well. leroy

6.8:_____________ I think (...i dont know for sure, i havent taken the time to verify the house version...) that's this is right. It seems like i remember reading something about this "house" version the other day. Also, there is evidently some more fighting goin on in the senate led by Rand Paul about all this stuff. leroy

Mike:________________ This immediate area of knox county north to the kentucky line was settled by the scots-irish and welch. Lots of the original "town fathers" came to knoxville as union carpetbaggers after the civil war. They came down here to make their fortune(s) in the manufacturing and sales business. East Tennesse names are evident; they are smith, jones, etc. They aint Bumgartner. They aint Rogero, ect. I would sugguest to you that the "broad brush" euphanism was not in fact aimed at the "immigrant" producers. They are always welcome. It was, in fact aimed at the non producers, the the bureaucratic layabouts, and carpetbagger political operatives that the factors mentioned in the original post have clearly produced in knoxville and knox county politics. I am in fact an "indigenous native" in as much as europeans can be "indigenous" (...as you would say; a "whitey"...) to this country. The fact is that you do not know me or are you in a place to provide any "policing of correctness in thought or deed" here on this forum. You dont know if "im down for the struggle with Al Sharpeton" or a member of the KKK. You can make guesses and have opinons; but that is exactly what they are --- guesses and opinions. We (...you, me, them....) were all immigrants at some time, and i am absolutely sure we (...the collective we...) have ancestors that we aint proud of that did some pretty heinous things. It's important to remember that i and you (...presumably...) didnt do 'em; the ancestors did. That means i (...nor you, for that matter...) have no need to apologize for or to be ashamed of ancestral actions. I believe i would tone down the "hyper-sensitivity" setting a bit and take a baby aspirin if i wuz you. That's what i intend to do. After all, its the Christmas season and it is the glory of man to overlook a fault. leroy

I feel as several other posters have opined that the problem started years ago (...i think the civil war...). The current administration and congress is just another iteration of the problem. The Nobama administration has instituted what i think can best be called post civil war reconstruction policies on their political enemies; along with effectively declaring a bureaucratic and legislative war on real businesses. These political enemies are the real folks that work, produce, and believe the things that the majority of the opiners here at TGO believe. I firmly believe the most recent iteration was brought on by the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent passing of the patriot act (...by a bi-partisan vote...). This effectively gutted many of the provisions of the bill of rights. This declaration of US territory being a "battleground" is simply another iteration. RE: The Udall amendment. When i discovered that both of our tennessee senators voted against the udall amendment (...which means they voted FOR the declaration of the US as a battlefield...), i figured it was driven by blind partizan politics. The republicans and some demorats are simply voting against the policies that the Nobama regieme is for to make political hay. The problem is that they are throwing the "baby out with the bathwater" and are making more and more of the citizenry mad by their actions. In a one in a million shot, the Nobama administration was right for the wrong reasons. I sent both of our senators a polite e-mail note asking for the rationale they used in voting against the Udall amendment. I have received no response to this request; nor do i expect too. There is simply no answer that a clear thinking citizen (...let alone an "annointed polititian" ....) can use to defend this vote. It is, in fact, all political. At this juncture in american politics, there are far too many in the "political ruling class" like Lamar Alexander and John McCain who are the "anointed ones" of the "blue nose republican establishment" who know what it right for us delightful rustics and who arragantly believe that they are the "smartest folks in the room" and intend do the right thing whether we like it or not. That is exactly what happend on the eve of the civil war. It is the same old arrogant, condescending, and overbearing political ineptitude that the "New Deal Demorats instituted in FDR's day and the Radical Republicans instituted in Lincon's day. This kind of stupid thinking is exactly what caused the republican defeat of 2008. The elections of 2010 were not a vote for "blue nose republicanism"; they were a vote against the radical socialist and Reconstruction repressions of the radical socialist trash we have presently ensconsed in the white house. Notice also that there was no provision in the house bill for declaration of the US as a battlefield. The House is much more in touch with the real world than the arrogant jackasses in the senate are (...at this juncture in history, anyway...). It's my belief (...and hope...) that the individual state governments may restore some semblance of sanity to this idiotic notion that the "federal ruling class knows best" and may drag them back into reality. I also believe (...and hope ferverantly...) that the courts may intervene in some of this repressive law foolishness once it is tried somewhere. I think it is very interesting that none of these 'powers" have been exercised anywhere as yet. I think that everybody is layin low on this for the time being. I've got no real problem with this bunch of idiots kickin doors in in places like chicago, LA., New York and these other bastions of idiocy. I do have a real problem with them doin it out in the country where the real folks live. Both parties better be damned sure that they do not get dragged any further into this "patriot act tar baby" any further than they already are. Once a few doors are kicked in, the populace might not like the idea of "Uncle Sam" doin them heinous things. I'm old enough to have seen a bit of the state vs fed thing in the area of racial integration. We may see the same thing again in the area of individual citizen's rights. leroy

I'm a confessed dog lover and i simply cannot bring myself to shoot one unless he is actually threatning me (...and that after ive exhaused all my considerable talents to calm him down....). A dog is simply too noble to execute for other than serious (...and threatning....) reasons. I full well understand that there are many "delinquent dog owners", but that aint the dog's fault. After all, he is just a dog. My advice, give 'em a break. leroy

Dave has put his finger on an endemic problem in Knox County. The biggest problem with Knoxville City (....and to a large extent...) Knox County government and politics is the dilution of the local populus with outsiders (....read that people from other states and large population centers....). They appear in jobs at the university and the surrounding areas, and they tend to being their voting views and voting habits to the knoxville metro area (....not so much the county...). The knoxville city government is full of this (...take a look at the last names...); as well as some bureaucratic areas of the county government in areas like the court system. You couple the constant commings and goings of these "transient" folks with what i would term the " the outliers of society fringe" groups that inhabit the college scene; you get the mix (...and mess...) that we have in the Knox metro area. There are still pockets of the original east tennessee folks; but there is plenty of dilution as well. That makes for a "tug of war" of sorts that goes on from time to time here. There is also an exodus of native knoxvillians from the knoxville city area. There are many old residential areas that are run down and derilict because the original settlers are either passed on their reward or have moved to the county to excape the very problems we are discussing. This exodus simply concentrates the hoodlum element and fringe allowing this "idiot fringe" a larger voice in government and a bigger voting block. You couple that with the system of initially appointing judges, then voting to continue them in office; you get what you get. Remember this, former judge Bumgartner (...by the way, Bumgartner aint a east tennessee name....) is a demorat; as is Randy Nichols, the Knox County DA; all in a city and county that has always been strongly Republican. This is directly related (...i think, at least...) to this "dilution" effect; combined and complicated by the effect of outside meddling (...read that initial appointment of judges...) along with the complicity of the legal groups (...read that bar associations...) which may or may not reflect the views of the local population . I strongly suspect that this "tug of war" will get a lot hotter in the next elections here. Most of the indigenous natives of this area (...mostly in the county...) see things pretty well they way our brother and sister posters do here; but there is always enough of the "progressive thinking" geniuses and genuine haters of all things reasonable and good to keep the mix stirred up here pretty well. Also, never loose sight of these facts; the first is that the legal profession has been deeply affected by the hippie movement and is many times very sympathetic to many issues that the general population finds offensive and even wrong. The second is that the police force (...and to a lesser extent in knox county, at least....) the sheriff's department has been neutered and calmed down to the point that most hoodlums are simply not afraid anymore. More than that, they damn sure aint afraid of the court system. I well remember when the court system, the police force, and the seriff's department in knoxville and knox county were "law and order" folks of the highest rank. They were known and feared by the criminal element and criminal problems were handled swiftly, severely, and, in many cases, finally without fail. That time is well passed. What your are seeing in knoxville is the thuggish "ooze" oozing out of the places that the hoodlum element used to operate on an in out into the general areas of the city of knoxville. I predict that when (...God forbid...) there is another heinous crime or killin in the more affluent neighborhoods of the city, the polititians and bureaucrats will start fixing this problem. Until then, it will stay just like it is now; basically ineffective, with a good dose of keeping things quiet. All that bein said; i would advise anyone who has dear ones going to school in the Knoxville area to arm themselves and be watchful. This "ooze" that ive discussed is busily circling the University of Tennessee area now; it is simply being kept quiet. The situation is a bit different in the outlying county areas. The citizens have already started "adjudicating cases" out in those areas. There have been several "final judgements" of home invaiders in those areas that have discouraged the hoodlum element to some extent and trouble in the county area has calmed down a bit. I full well expect that some of my brother and sister opiners living in the knox metro area may not necessarily see things the way i do as outlined in this little epistle on knoxville politics and civic makeup, and i understand that. This little analysis is born of about 50 or so years of watchin along with a bit of knowledge handed down from my parents and grand parents. Knoxville (...and many other metro locations...) as been deeply affected and changed by the "hippie revolution" of the sixties. Most of it for the worse. Time will tell if this situation improves. My prediction is that it (...sadly...) will not. Remember, be careful what ya ask for; you may just get it. leroy

This is good advice. The Predator guys are great guys. I was there yesterday, and there is a pile of rifles needin homes there. leroy

There is no possibility of justice being served thru a retrial of these monsters; and i dont believe there was ever any chance of justice being served in the original trial. There is simply no penalty (...with the exception of the 'eye for eye' penalty....) that would come anywhere near to bringing justice to those left. The fact of the matter is that the "justice enterprize" as presently constituted in Knox County (...and many other places as well...) is, at it's core, not about justice at all. It's about influence, graft, and corruption at several levels. It's about judges doing things that would get you and l locked up. It's about a DA and other "officers of the court" remaining silent while turning their collective heads in the other direction (...as near as i can tell...); and finally the truth being grudgingly dragged out of them and brought into the open; causing them to admit to a problem in the court in order to save thier own collective stinkin hides. It's about defense lawyers who make their living defending the genuinely guilty who seem to be morally and ethically bankrupt, who do their job for the money. And, lastly, its about the money. The money that has been spent on this travesty of justice and that which will be spent by those who worship the god of money while murdering the principles of justice. The adversarial justice system used in this country, while it is the greatest and fairest ever devised, has been hijacked by those who are morally and ethically bankrupt. When that happens, this is what you get. I'm kinda like John Westley Harrdin was said to be when he walked into any room with regard to the "justice enterprise": "...I see lotsa enemies and no friends....". I know how he musta felt. My thoughts and prayers continue to be with the Christian and Newsome family; but i have no expectation that justice will ever be served in this case and in thousands of others all over the country. The Christian-Newsome incident is a wake up call to all those who believe in the goodness of mankind and the rule of law. They are both a heinous, cynical lie. My advice is to arm yourselves and call the "authorities" after everything is over. The "authorities" and the law cant protect you, nor are they able to "punish wrongdoing" (...no matter how heinous...). It also makes the case for the voting out of all polititians (...no matter how proficient, windsome, or dedicated...) that has served over two consecutive terms in office. leroy

What you are seeing is an initial move by Colt to test things out (...i think...). Any company that is interested in being left alone and simply doing business in a "business friendly" enviornment is leaving the northeast and the mid-west. Manufacturing companies are simply fed up with the idiotic tactics of the northeast liberals and the entrenched demorats and they are moving out. I'm glad to see it. I believe you are seeing this country "devolving" into regional confederations (...for lack of a better term...). The individual policies of the states will determine which companies continue to stay or move and to where. That's why you are seeing an exodus from the northeast, the rust belt, and kalefornia. People are simply sick and tired of the anti business policies of the blue states. I say bring 'em on down to the south and the southeast. leroy

I agree. This is the only issue i ever remember siding with the ACLU on. We are very busy circumventing the Constitution and turning things right back to the "Old World", where government can push ya around without benefit of due process. This kind of stuff started the Revolutionary War. leroy

Deerslayer has handed us a "pearl of wisdom" here. I had an extended release (...a glock, i think...) on my glock 27. My problem was that it was "sharp edged" and would poke me from time to time when shootin. I replaced mine with a stock glock just like kirk did. It solved my problem. I shoulda got out the "infamous Glock tool". leroy

Lak:______________ I love that old military and police! I think you will be surprised at what it is worth. Take a look at Collector's firearms sometime when ya have the time. Yours is awfully clean for the vintage. What a wonderful suprize for Christmas from dear ones. Enjoy, leroy

Thanks to you all for posting your thoughts. A special thanks to MacGyver for the kind invitation to shoot. While im at it; does the p230/232 have the "slide bite" problem that the ppk's do? Thank as always, leroy

Dear brother and sister pistoleros:______________ I'm kinda like "J. Thaddius Toad" in the "Wind in the Willows". He was the toad that had a "new mania" from time to time. His was the automobile. Mine is a look for a "bit larger" 380 ACP. I really like the walther "pp" size pistols. It appears to me that the sig p232 is just that size and to add icing on the cake, it has an external hammer. I would greatly appreciate any feedback from sig p232 users (...or pp, or sig 230...). Especially the "ham fisted" ones. I've got pretty good sized hands. I love my sig 238, but it seems to me to be about a size too small for a quick grab. Please add your collective thoughts and experiences on these neat pistol(s). Thanks, leroy

Lotsa good bullets for both of them. We shoot em both. Pick the one you make the best deal on. leroy

Murgatroy:____________ Mike hit the nail on the head as far as the tools are concerned. I think i splurged and bought an extra tool from brownells that made it easier to install the detent pin and spring for the front take down pin. I think it's a good idea to build the lowers so ya can see exactly how the ar works trigger and hammer wise. RE: the handguard thing. I like the round rifle type free float handguards. i like the feel and you can put a small piece of rail wherever ya want a gizmo to go. It makes (...to me, at least...) the rifle look cleaner and they handle better because there is nothin to snag on. I think the free float thing is a great idea that is low cost and will make any rifle shoot better. Havin said all that; wear ya self out lookin thru all the gizmos and toys available for the ar; there's a million of 'em. Like one of the guys who helps us with 'em says. "....It's lego toys for big boys who like guns....". He's exactly right. have fun. leroy

Another plus one for Predator custom Shop. They can fix ya up. leroy

Bob:____________ I've got a "new to me" Dillon 650 myself. Dont know about the lee dies specifically; but if they are standard diameter (...7/8 dia by standard thread...), they will go right in the toolhead(s) no problem. You may need an exrta crimp die for each caliber, but they dont cost much. I've got a mix of dillon, lyman, RCBS, etc set up on my toolheads. The way a dillon is designed to work, ya change tool heads (...they are about $6 each from dillon...) to change calibers. That way you dont have to keep readjusting your dies to get the press set up. The bad news is that you do need the caliber conversion kits. A dillon uses a "shell plate" that is, in effect, the shellholder for the specific caliber you are reloading. You have to change the "shell plate" out for each different shell size. The good news is that 38 and 357 are the same shell plate size. Fourty four special and 44 mag. are the same shell plate size; plus a few others. The downside of a dillon is the need to change the shell plates, belling case expanding die insert in the powder die, and the parts in the shell case drop tube. It aint hard; but it probably takes me at least, 15 or so minutes to change calibers and get ready to go again. I tend to set the dillon to run large runs (...about 500 or more...) rounds up to save the bother of changin everything out. If you are loadin a couple of hundred pistol or rifle rounds, you can most likely do it quicker on a single stage. If you are loading to shoot bunches of ammo of the same caliber and have the recipes down pat, you cant touch a dillons speed or ease of loading. RE: The powder measure, it works very well. Just make sure it's set up exacly as it should be. By the way, the caliber kit(s) also have the belling die for the powder measure. On a dillon, the powder measure station both bells the case and drops the powder in the case at the same stroke. That's another reason why you need to keep separate tool heads for each caliber loaded (...and even each bullet style loaded within the same caliber...). Fiddlin with the belling adjustment is tedious. Hope this gives a bit of help on the subject. There are a bunch of dillon folks on the forum; im sure they will chime in as they see the post. If ya run into problems, just post a question or call the dillon tech support guys. They are a great resource. leroy

CP:_______________ You might want to free float the barrel. What it amounts to is findin where the stock touches the barrel (...like near the forend...) and just sanding the stock away from the barrel. Take the time to do some searches on bedding and free floating barrels. Your ruger 77 should work just fine with it's "stock" wooden stock. I've got an old model 77 308 varmiter with the "stock" stock that will regularly shoot a 5 shot group ya can lay a nickel over with good ammo and if you do your part holdin it. Ya may want to talk to some of our target shootin buddies here and see if they know any "shade tree" armorers who would free float the barrel and bed the action if you dont want to fool with it. You will be amazed at what these bolt rifles will do with just a tiny bit of tweaking. Hope this helps. leroy

I'm sad to hear this too. I know all the folks that work at South Clinton Pawn. Larry was a great friend and fine man. Our prayers and sincere condolences are with his family and all those at South Clinton Pawn. This is a great loss. leroy

Runner:______________ What ever ya decide to do on a gunsafe; buy one about twice as big as ya think you will need and it will be the right size (....for a while-- anyway...). good luck, leroy