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Folks, make no mistake. This is about voter fraud. The only way the demorats can win in the 50/50 states is with fraud, that's why it's so hot down in South Carolina; and why the (IN)Justice Department is fighting the law down there. In Tennessee, i think the situation is different. The last vote here was about 66% McCain-34% Nobama. Fraud cant win elections where the vote is lopsided like in our state. However, the dems have to squall everywhere to try to get some traction in the states where they really need this voter ID thing thrown out. It seems to me that this has been already ruled on in the Supreme Court and settled the arguement that it is, in fact, within each state's right to require a verification of identity via an ID. As i remember the tennessee law, everybody can get one for free, i just cant remember where they have to go to get it. It will be interestin to see how this one plays out. leroy PS CHECK THIS LINK OUT AND PLAY A BIT WITH THE TABS. IT IS FROM THE 2008 ELECTION: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html . All this stuff will get a lot clearer when ya take a look at the nobama and mccain tabs.

Caster and all:______________ There are several threads with this same theme. In one of them i posted a bit of a blurb that goes somethin like this: In the early 1900's (...probably 1909 --1915 or so...) the Cabin Creek and Paint Creek coal producing areas in West Virginia were troubled with several bloody skirmishes and killings between the United Mine Workers and the WV Coal operators that resulted in martial law being involked and citizens being detained witout trial and sentenced to long to internment by military authorities. The famous (...or infamous, depending on your view..) union organizer and avowed socialist "Mother Jones" (...Mary Harris jones...) was one of those sentenced. This went all the way thru the state courts and the Supreme Court (...i think...) and the "holding without trial and sentencing thru military tribunal" thing was struck down and all the sentences were voided. There is an interesting treatment of this subject in an obscure book entitled "Bloodletting in West Virginia" by Howard B. Lee, who, by the way, was a lawyer and State Attorney General of West Virgina. It is fascinating reading. The bottom line of all this was that the court's ruling was that military courts had no juristiction where there were functioning state and federal courts. Bear in mind that those held without trial and sentenced by military authorities were both citizens and immigrants. Just because some jackass in government gets a section put into law doesn't automatically erase existing legal precedent and constitutional law. It does, however, require that the section of the law be challenged in court. Maybe some of our members who are attorneys will opine on this a bit, but i wouldn't worry about american citizens being held without trial and tried in military courts. By the way, there is also a blurb about a "clarification" added to the law. See the post (...post #9...) on the e-mail from bob corker http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/national-politics-legislation/66742-joe-joseph-military-designate-americans-enemy-during-collapse.html .. leroy Hope this helps a bit. leroy

Dave:______________ This is good advice and i appreciate it. (...and i may end up doin exactly what you are sayin...). What im tryin to do is to get a pretty good consensus on these loads and gather some new ones in the meantime. I'm an old bolt gun shootin guy and i'm interested in findin out from all you younger and more austute AR shooters if one of the old maxims of the bolt gun is true for the rotating bolt gun. It is (...in general....) that the best load is that load that fills the case, expands the case to fill the chamber (...no soot on the case neck...), and is generally about 95% plus percent of the max listed for the powder/bullet combination. It is most always near to or exceeds the factory balistics for that particular round. Thanks again. leroy

C. A. spoke a great truth here: Over the years there have been surveys that have consistently indicated that neither the enlisted ranks nor the officer corps would support action on US soil against US citizens. These surveys have been goin on for a pretty long while. Let us hope and pray the the men and women in uniform continue to believe in the principles on which this country was founded. I personally know three West Point Graduates who are currently serving that strongly believe in what this country was founded on. There is an urban legend that right before Richard Nixon stepped down, the "martial law" thing was discussed. It is also whispered that the much vilified General Alexander Haig refused the order. That is exactly how this is supposed to work. I simply do not believe that the young men and women that are voluntarily serving in the US Armed Forces can be suddenly turned into jackbooted thugs. I also do not believe they would countinance any home grown jack booted thugs either. leroy

Fellow reloaders:____________ I'm in need of makin up some "practice rounds" for my AR carbine. Ive got several pounds of WW748 and about 1000 or so rounds of military headstamp brass ready to go. I've been goin back and forth between the following loads: 26.0 grains 26.5 grains Other (...i dont have a clue about this one...). Whadda ya think? Remember, these loads are "for practice", not precision shooting. I need a load that will give reasonable accuracy (...the more the better...) and good functioning with my carbine. Think about it and let me know. Thanks a bunch. leroy

rgap:_____________ Thanks for the reply and the links. They clear up lots questions (...for me, at least...) on what'g goin on with the Kahr. I'm an old smith guy and i like the Kahr idea. I probably need to hunt me a K serice and a CW series brother to go with him. Thanks a bunch. leroy

Yup. Use it in our Smith Model 36. Handloads actually. 5.3 grains of unique and hardcast 158 grain SWC. Powerful and accurate. About 900 fps or so out of a two inch barrel. If ya dont handload, take a look at the Buffalo Bore 158 grain swc ammo. leroy

Thanks Lester. I think these folks provide a valuable service to us. They entertain with nuttiness, and cause us all to think a bit about some folks are actually thinking; indeed, a very valuable commidity. While were on the subject; take the time to check out this link: "Humans Beware" I.W.G. Custom Show# . It's a bit out of date, but take the time to read the post about IWG, the "Wilderness Insurgents Grouppo". This is more good stuff right up there with the "Cows with Guns" and "Chickens with Choppers" thing. These guys have to be kin to eachother. Enjoy. leroy By the way, here's my favorite guy. I think his name is "alfonso":

I like it!! Where in the world did ya find this? leroy

Will:______________ This is, indeed, a great scene. I like it!! It's one of my favorite movies. I really like the part where "Bad Bob" tells judge roy that he is gonna "rid the ground of his shadow". I love the "Come and get it" speech too. Looks like ole Bob was a bit careless. Thanks for posting this delightful clip!!! leroy

Robert and Caster: i had to think about this one for a minute. Then it dawned on me. I have a firm rule. No trips to walmart later than about 9:00 am. The layabout class gets up an into walmart by about 10:00 or so am; so i give myself an hours cushion. This is a firm rule with me and is never violated. If it is, my entire day is ruined. Keep up the good work. leroy

Interestin stuff. I've got an old buddy that was in the army and was deployed to south florida during the "missle crisis". He said he didn't expect that he would ever see home again. leroy

Aint it the truth brother!! Keep up the good work. leroy

Brother and sister bovine fanciers, 6.8 may be on to somethin big here. We (...and PETA, obviously; and callously i might add....)may be thinkin too small here. We may need to extend this memorial to all ruminants (...i'm sure it will include the noble bovine(s) that started this revelation...). We could petition PETA to expand this memorial to all ruminants who have been struck down. Here is a quick list i've compiled of them: 1. The original bovines covered by the Illinois PETA group. 2. 6.8 AR's deer struck on the railroad tracks; along with cows. 3. The great moose, elk, and caribou (...terrible spellin...) struck on the railroad tracks by the Canadian National RR. 4. Ruminants run over like reindeer and those in item 3. above by "ice road truckers". 5. All creatures (...regardless of whether they are ruminants or not...) struck down by beer trucks as pointed out by Mc and Mike. 4. Other creatures deemed worthy that are outside the "ruminant" ranks. The squirrel, racoon, and opossum come to mind immediately. All struck down by careless (...or mean...) drivers. There have to be others. Let's get together and round this list out so we can petition PETA to get to work on this. I sense some great vibes here!! It could be the beginnin of something big. Brother and sister TGO'ers; lets do something for the animal kingdom here!! leroy

Fiddle:___________ Sorry to hear of your loss. Grandfathers are very special. I sure miss mine. RE: Your Boker. I'm an old Boker affectanado and have been since boyhood (...which has been a long time, im 65...). When i was a boy the Boker was well known and the same knife your described was available then. There were two flavors of 'em. The first was the "German Tree Brand" made in soligen, germany. The second was the one that your grandfather had; the "American Boker (...or USA...) Tree Brand. They were and are excellent knives. I've carried them off and on for years and still have a few in my collection. Boker was a real player in the quality knife business in those days. There are those who believe that the Boker Tree Brand was a better quality knife than the legendary Case (...i happen to be one of those folks....). Most likely it is a bone handled carbon steel knife. Boker was making and marketing these great old knives when i was a 12 or so year old boy; and had been doing so for many years before then. That would date them to at least 1958 (...i was born in 1946...). Enjoy your new treasure!! leroy

Saw this on Drudge this mornin: PETA Seeks Memorials to Cows Killed on Ill. Roads . Now brother creatures, lets have a moment of silence in memory of our bovine brothers (...and sisters...) killed in action on the way to the feed lot and ultimately to the slaughterhouse. This is real good stuff!!! leroy --- spiritual brother to the noble bovine. May they rest in peace and not be forgotten by the nutty among us!!!

KJ:_________ No doubt that Walmart is doin it for the money. Al Capp's General Bullmoose was doin it for the money too; just like Uncle Scrooge McDuck would do; as well as C. Montgomery Burns of "The Simpsons" fame; to get a little closer to modern pop culture. As to the "political thing", who knows.... I'm a cynic at heart, and have little confidence that the "love of freedom and giving honor to the right to keep and bear arms" is behind this move. Im with you on this; there is about a 99+% chance that they are doin it of the money; thats what they do...The fact is that they are commin down on the side of the potential gun owner. I see that as a good thing. Providence will ultimately sort out their motives. The fact is that even if they are doing the "right thing for the wrong reason", its ok with us. There's lots of that goin around anyway. leroy

Sonny:_____________ I agree with you on the shootability of the model 39. I've got both a 39 and a 59 and the 39 fits my hands much better. For some reason i think the 39 and 59's were "improved" for some reason. There are 3 generations of 'em now. Your and mine are the "first generation". My guess (...and it is a guess...) is that smith was dragged along by the military and police markets on this one. I want to say that the 39 and the 59 were designed to compete in the original 9 mm military trials that gave us the beretta. Maybee some old time smith auto guys will speak up on this one. leroy

Folks:______________ This right here is good stuff. I'm old enough to rememer the old Al Capp Little Abner comic strip. One of the characters was General Bullmoose of Bullmose Motors (...i think...). One of his great sayins was: "....Whats good for General Bullmose is good for the USA!!....". The Walmart is the "Bullmose Motors" of the USA. They are comming down on the side of us Second Amendment customers and armin everybody at reasonable prices. I say that's a good thing. l leroy

I think JReed hit the nail on the head here. The rest of it (...as mike, jonnin, TNWNGR and others have stated...) is get the original machining marks and burrs off, smooth everything up, exercise the recoil spring, check the magazine. I also believe (...beein the heretic that i am about ammo...) in the 380s ya need a pretty hot load to have enough energy to cycle these little pistols. Some folks may balk at this; but on the both the locked breech and blowback pistols; hotter is better until ya start battering things or blowin out brass. leroy

Lumber:____________ I think you are right on both counts. My thinkin on the "rubbing the parts" thing is that you just touch them enough that they drop together without any slack (...dont rub too much...). I hadnt even thought about "breakin in the spring" thing; but it's a big part of makin the semis reliable. Thanks for the thoughts. leroy

All:___________ I know that this may sound a bit ignorant; but ive noticed that all the locked breach pistols except the glocks recommend that they be "broke in". In my mind, "breakin in" is nothin more than wearing down the parts a bit to make sure they work correctly. Havin said all that, what do ya all think about shootin 30 to 50 rounds or so, takin the pistola down and cleanin it up, checking for the wear spots, and rubbin those spots a bit with a hard arkansas stone? Dont worry about hurtin my feelins over this, i aint got any. curious leroy

Spiffy:____________ Call Bob at Predator Custom Shop in Knoxville. They will probably come back to work on Tuesday. leroy

Gray:_____________ I like it!!! I had no idea they did aftermarket stuff for them. Cant wait to hear the range report. We've got a "stock" Dan Wesson 8" full lug, VR model 22 long rifle. It shoots like a rifle. The old Dan Wessons are great things!! leroy

Folks:_____________ Check post #9 (...and the whole thread...) here: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/national-politics-legislation/66742-joe-joseph-military-designate-americans-enemy-during-collapse.html . leroy