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Thanks for clarifying Dan! I agree 100% that the law regarding defending property needs to be changed. However, current law states that you do not have a right to defend your property alone and you can not use leathal force to do so. Any one who has taken the HCP class knows that this is specifically pointed out as not being a justifiable shooting situation. If things went down as reported, andthe man outside was not actively posing a threat of immediate serious bodily harm and/or death to the home owner.......... then the home owner was not justified by law to open fire on the second man. I'm not disagreeing with the home owner's actions........ I'm saying he acted outside of what the law allows . The home owner would have been legally justified in shooting and killing the first man as soon as he forcably entered his home whether he felt the threat of serious bodily harm or not because it is implied according to the law, because he entered an occupied dwelling. If they are inside it is implied.... if they are outside it must be shown they posed a threat to immediate harm. Now.... do I personally feel that the home owner was justified in his actions? Yes I do! Do I personally think the home owner should be able to defend his property? Yes I do!!!! I think the guy deserves a medal and would gladly buy him a beer and a box of shells. But it is not about what I think and how I personally feel about what went down......... it is about what the law allows in the given situation! From the story it sounds like the police haven't charged the home owner yet. This tells me they probably don't want to. However, since the home owner technically acted outside the perimeters of the law..... the case will have to be reviewed by the DA and the decesion on whether or not to press charges will be left up to the DA's office.

For clarification sake...... are you refering to my words as "weasel words"?

Unless the home owner gets extremely luck, he will be going to jail. He was justified in his actions against the intruder but far from it with the guy outside.

I seem to recall a member over at arfcom talk about his experiences right after hurricane katrina. Fortunately he wasn't in N.O. and wasn't subject to the gun grabs. His story was about how he donated a few K rounds of .223 and I forget the pistol caliber to his local leo. They had only stocked ammo around qualification time and kept the bare minimum on had. They had expended a most of their ammo dealing with problem animals, snakes and such IIRC. I'm a firm believer that what you have when shtf is what you are going to have. Also a firm believer in reloading though I'm currently only set-up for pistol. Re-using brass I can reload 1k of speer goldots for pretty close to the same price as 1k of most factory fmj. reloading fmj is even cheaper still.

True of wild rabbit/ cotton tails. Cage kept rabbits who get a whole lot less exercise in confinement are another story unless they are grossly under fed. Been raising rabbits for years and all the domesticated rabbits I've butchered had quite a bit of fat in them. Cotton tails next to none though. Fortunately there are plenty of other fat sources around if you know where to look for them. For example, there are no shortage of acorns around here and one ounce of dried acorns yield 142 calories 74 of which are fat and 1 ounce of acorn flour yields 140 calories of which 71 are calories are from fat according to Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Nuts, acorn flour, full fat

Just my personal opinion.......... you may want to look into a Big Berkey gravity water filtration system or something similar. Bleach is a good back up or even additional treatment pre-filtration option. Managing Water | Ready.gov has a info on using bleach(type as well as strength are extremely important to know) as well as other h2o info. CAMP-352 - Ceramic Water Filtration System Monolithic Filter Ceramic Filter Filter Sock Spigot 0.5 Micron Efficiency has a cheap dyi kit for 5 gal buckets. Bought one a while back but have yet to set it up. One word of caution....... water is heavy! If you plan on storing 90 cases of water in one location make sure the floor will handle the load.

Thanks for the kind words gentlemen!

My oldest girl asked me yesterday if we could build a fort near our garden area, to which I said possibly and asked what she had in mind. Much to my surprise she wanted a "lean-to thingy". Due to time constraints we were only able to get the frame work and a start on the bark layer yesterday. Today we got the first leaf and stick layer on. Once things dry out a bit we'll finish it up as well as the bedding. The kids are already wanting to spend the night in it. Any how... here are a few pics.

so is this just a single day trip or a campout?

Less than 10' in both cases.

You know what they say about fat chicks........ they keep you warm in the winter, give you shade in the summer and its obvious they can cook.

I have personally seen it on two seperate occasions in the ER within the last six months. First one was minor injuries, and the second..... not so lucky. Massad Ayoob has written numerous articles on the subject in the past citing specific cases were bullets struck unintended people after passing through people. IIRC NYPD had the most cases with somewhere around 21 shoot throughs, wtih several serious wounds a some fatalities, in a limited time span related to their then issued 115gr FMJ 9mm ammo. WE generally don't get to choose how the scenario is going to go down. Depending on how close the threat is, it is quite possible they might obscure our view of people behind them. Often what is reported is not entirely accurate. They are in a race to be the first releasing the breaking news of the day. Can't tell you how often we see the news regarding someone who ended up a patient of ours and what is reported is not consistant with the injuries or stories we get from EMS, LEO, patients and family involved. Bottom line is we are responsible for ever single round we fire, and every single round has a lawyer attached to it. You can discount the notion of it all you want but if one of your rounds strikes an unintended person, be it from a shoot through, miss or richocet, you can and likely will be sued, civilly if nothing else. Hollow points can and do penetrate completely through sometimes but they do it far less often than FMJ loads. You know the risks and it is just a step to mitigate them as much as possible. If you want to test out penetration of both fmj and jhp then go to the grocery store buy a couple hams and a rack of ribs. Put a layer of ribs on the front and back of the hams and set them in a row about a foot from each other(to limit deflection) or shoot them individually with a 5 gal bucket of water behind them to simulate the bystander. Meat should also be body temp warm as cold meat reacts differently. Take no ones word for it and prove it for yourself!

What he said.

We raise goats for dairy not meat(had some meat goats in the past), rabbits, ducks, chickens and just butchered our hog(getting more after the holidays) a few weeks ago. I've been toying with the notion of doing a S&P CSA(community supported agriculture) type deal. Basically it would work like this........ for those who can't raise the animals on their own land due to lack of space, zoning laws, township regulations, etc. A person could purchase animals either from my stock or bring some in from else where(after I have inspected them for disease, parasites, etc) and board them on our ten acre homestead/farm. Animal owner would have to either supply or pay for feed and occasionally (one day a month or something) come do chores on the farm such as mend fences, improve pens, shelter maintenance, clear brush for paddocks, etc. The person will either have to haul them off to the butcher or they can be butchered here. While I would assist with every animal butchered, the owner will have to actively participate in the whole process including disposal.

+1 to the suggestions for Back to Basics and the SAS Survival manual(Colin Gem compact version). Couple other worth while books are The Self Sufficient Life and How to Live It- Seymor Wilderness Survival - Davenport

Saiga 7.62x39 w/ winchester 123gr SP ammo.

ooohhhh... thats purty. Wish I wouldn't have traded the CZ P-01 I had.

It was not a dig on the 1911 at all, nor at you either. I just found the irony in the comment itself funny. You stated,"every 1911 I have ever had has been magazine or ammo finicky......... except real mil-spec guns with good mags and hardball" which implies that in reality the mil-spec guns were finicky too since they prefer good mags and hardball ammo. I've owned numerous 1911's of various makes and models with ten's of thousands rounds down range myself. Again it was not a dig at you or the gun..... you could insert any mass produced/copied design(AR's, AK's, CZ 75's, etc) in that statement and I would still find it( the statement) humerous the way it was worded. Sorry if you were offended as it was not my intention.

Sorry dude.....had to point out how funny this comment was!

I've owned and carried revolvers in the past. While I still find them fun and enjoy shooting them at the range, when it comes to carry and/or defense, I personally won't be reaching for one as long as I have my auto loaders available. First and main reason I prefer auto-loaders is due to less stoppages. Stoppages are not always due to weapon malfunction. Whether people want to admit it or not, running out of ammo is a stoppage. The gun has stopped working and will not start again until you add more ammo. The revolvers I've owned.... held between 5-6 rounds of ammo. Current carry guns hold between 11-18 rounds. From the start that is 2-3 times less guaranteed stoppages caused by capacity. While 5-6 rounds can be enough to stop some attackers, it is not always the case. Add into the equation multiple attackers and such and higher capacity becomes even more desirable. There are many folks who can reload revolvers pretty fast. However, I have yet to see a single person who spends equal time training and practicing with both revolvers and auto-loaders who could not reload the auto as fast or in the majority of cases faster than the revolvers(Jerry included). The time gap spreads farther apart while trying to do so while flat on your back, on your side or while laying prone(simulating you being knocked to the ground or finding yourself in those positions while seeking cover). So you are guaranteed to reload more often and in most cases... take longer to do it as well. Revolvers can and do malfunction, whether user induced or mechanical failure.... they are not immune. I've seen and/or personally experienced..... excessive lint from holsterless pocket carry get caught under the star ejector during a reload that prevented the ejector from fully seating which kept the cylinder from closing. The gun had to be unloaded(shells dumped on ground), ejector held open while removing the offending lint with the other hand and reloaded again before it was operational. Same gun had lint and dust built up under the cylinder release button to the point that it was stuck forward and after the gun was reloaded the cylinder didn't latch on it's own when closed and the button had to be slid back manually with support hand thumb. Seen cylinder stops worn to the point they failed to stop the cylinder on the next loaded chamber and also shaved bullets due to the timing being slightly off. Seen ejector rods bent as well. These malfunctions all took longer to diagnose and clear to get the gun back in action than the typical immediate action drill with autoloaders including the double feed. As far as the psychological/intimidation factor of the bad guy seeing the rounds in the chamber of the revolver goes. While the sight of a gun can be a deterrent, I'm not betting my life on it and I'm not drawing my weapon for that purpose. Personally, if I've decided to pull my pistol I've already decided I need to shoot. Further more, if the BG can see loaded rounds in the chamber they can also see when it is empty by that logic. If you have already expended your ammo and haven't realized it yet and the BG does does that not work against you? Not trying to sway anyone's opinions on the matter, just explaining how I formed mine. To each their own, different strokes for different folks and all that.... revolver.... auto-loader...... just practice with and carry something.

It is not an issue of code compliance, it is a disease prevention and control issue. Short term and limited population densities and it may not be a problem...... it is the long term and/or higher pop densities that the simple poop in the backyard becomes a major health risk. In a long term event are you gonna dig a new hole every day?

Remove the bulb from a a mini-mag-lite, insert a small peice of snare wire into each hole and touch it to 0000 grade steel wool( same deal as the 9v). Remove the reflector from and large flashlight (C and D cell mag lights work well), stuff tinder up into the hole where the bulb usually comes through, angle at sun until focused beam hits tinder(same concept as magnifying glass). Place a quarter sized pile chlorine powder(pool shock which is also good for h2o treatment) on tinder pile, pour on a tiny amount of brake fluid(only enough to wet it). It takes about two minutes but it will self-ignite.******DISCLAIMER******DO NOT PUT THIS MIXTURE INTO A CLOSED CONTAINER OR IT WILL EXPLODE*********

Prior to moving to TN five years ago, I worked for 4.5 years in a 25 million gallon per day waste water treatment plant in south eastern Virginia. The first year I was working there I also did service calls for several for several small communities as well. Your retired ATF friend is very much right on. While most plants have back up generators, the most only have enough fuel to last maybe a week without resupply. Many of the pumping stations located through out town did not have back up power to pump stuff to the plants. Due to the highly corrosive nature of waste water, maintenance is a never ending constant thing in the plants. Gravity lines leading to the pump stations plug frequently too. If someone wanted to wreack havoc on the system all they would have to do is, pop a manhole cover, drop in a few bags of gravel and hydraulic cement(hardens even under water often used for repairing pipes while still in use) and the line and manhole are gonna have to be dug up and replaced. When lines plug during normal times they locate the plug, bring in septic and camel trucks to suck out as much water as they can, insert inflatible plug to keep the poo water off the workers and continue to use the trucks to pump out the water until the line is put back in service. You can pretty much bet if there were 4 or more large lines plugged at one time even major cities will be in a world of hurt. As far as what to do as an individual looking for alternative needs for waste management goes..... there are commercial composting and incinerating toilets available, lots of out house plans online as well as latrine plans and the trusty 5 gal bucket. In any case.... get a a few 50lb bags of agricultural lime( $5-ish per bag). This will speed up the breakdown and help kill to the smell as well. For the bucket method put about 4" of kitty litter in the bottom of the bucket to absorb the urine and dust the poo pile with lime after each use.

Absolutely love mine. I've owned over a half dozen AKs and have shot several dozen more. In my personal experience, all things being equal(barrel length, ammo, conditions, rest, range, etc) Saigas tend to be slightly more accurate than the chinese, romanian, egyptian and yugoslovian AKs I've shot.

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