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  This is not a pocket carry holster.  There are plenty of inexpensive pocket holsters for the Shield, though I found that the only pants they fit into my cargo pants.     This is a holster that carries the gun inside your pants.  You have to move it to make it comfortable.  For me, it's on the inside of the thigh - kind of between the thigh and private parts.

Summary I’m very satisfied with my purchase and would recommend this holster to anyone who needs match mine. I recommend this holster for a gun that uses Urban Carry’s size medium or smaller. There is a size chart on their web. I’m using an M&P Shield. It might work with an M&P Compact, definitely nothing bigger. This is an awesome solution for those who need to wear a shirt tucked in or are using it for a backup gun. My Kydex inside the waistband is more comfortable, though the slight decrease in comfort is a small price to pay for a solution that allows you to tuck in your shirt. Pro’s You can wear it with your shirt tucked in. This is by far the biggest advantage for me. This is great for those who have to wear their shirt tucked in at work. I believe this will allow for faster draw than an inside the waistband carried on the hip, more practice needed to verify. It stays hidden and no one will identify it. Great option for a backup gun, especially a smaller one. (If a uniform wearing LEO, make sure your belt has room and that your belt isn’t too wide) Black or brown is available Quality manufacturing with good leather. Cons I have to use pants that are 2” larger with the Urban Carry. This isn’t needed with my Kydex. This holster definitely takes practice with an UNLOADED gun. I found that I pointed it at myself until I figured it out. It presents the gun straight up at a higher level than what I’m used to - not a problem with sufficient training. It points at my leg when sitting down. The gun is totally enclosed in the holster, so this doesn’t concern me with a quality gun like an M&P Shield. Notes: Break the holster in before first use. Put a leather treatment such as Bick-4 on and let it soak in. Then, bend the holster in a multitude of directions with a focus on the seams. Excluding the time for the leather treatment to soak in, this take about 5 minutes. Here is how this will play out for me. I’ll use my Kydex inside the waistband holster when I don’t have to tuck my shirt in and the Urban Carry when I do. It’s very comfortable when driving or sitting at a desk. I believe you could draw it from any position in a jam, though it is meant to be drawn from a standing position. Any position other than standing would be a disadvantage. I’ve reviewed FBI statistics on when you are most likely to be in a violent confrontation. One of those is while driving. I don’t use this for defense when I’m wearing a seat belt. I have a full size M&P in the console for that. In summary, I'm really glad I bought the holster and will get years of use from days when I need to tuck my shirt in.

This really bothers me.  

Yeah, it's a big gun.  You could beat somebody into the middle of next week with it, which I'm sure is what happened in the civill war when they were up close and personal.

It is a Colt Army, Model 1860

I really like this gun. I purchased several guns from an estate, which included this one. It has two cylinders. Back then they etched a naval battle into the cylinders. One of them was the every day cylinder and everything was rubbed off over time. The other one is in pretty good shape. I'm rather surprised that the bore is in as good shape as it is. The holster belt would be about the right size for my thigh. The cartridge box is pretty cool. I've really enjoyed learning how to preserve and care for these old guns - it's totally different than with modern guns. There is a special soap you clean them with, a special mild abrasive you clean them further with. Rust is removed with a little piece of copper, which is better than anything modern I have seen. You don't protect them with oil, but with a special wax. Anyway, I've really enjoyed this gun.

CommsNBombs,   Thank you for your interest.  I would love feedback / input from those of you with knowledge in these areas.   They are based here in Nashville and have locations across the country.  They have a mish mash of providers, though mainly AT&T.  They have prem based phone systems using PRI Telecom lines.     They do have applications delivered over the web, though I'm not deeply involved with those yet.   AT&T has a great network.  The problem with them is customer service and billing.  My client grows by acquisition.  So, they may have a new location needing a circuit.  If AT&T is busy, they'll tell them it may be eight months, which is a big pain.   They need a Telecom infrastructure that is much more scalable.  They want hosted VoIP, which of course means there has to be some kind of QoS.  I want to help them get to the point that when they buy a new company, they provide a list of the locations and I have a cookie cutter approach to get them up and running from a WAN / Telecom perspective.

Lager,   That's great input.  You're totally correct about the complexity.  This has to be done correctly or the Dir of Infrastructure and CIO will lose their jobs and I'll get sued.   Presidio has gone through some changes and I don't know anyone outside their company that has seen their work since these changes.   I have a couple of guys with day jobs that are WAN jocky's and they definitely could handle it, though I would have to cobble together the rest of the solution.  I would rather find a partner.  I spoke with a newer MSP this morning that was recommended by a tech leader that has seen his work and I think that may work out.   The usual suspects in town - LPS, Bedroc, UDT, ANS, etc... either have internal issues or are unwilling to come together as equals in a partnership.

ok, here is todays update.   I needed to wear a pair of slacks today.  They fit, though would fit better if I were to lose a few pounds.  I didn't make it out of the house.  When I sat down it was very uncomfortable and it was rather obvious that something was in my pants.   This isn't a knock on the holster - you have to have pants with plenty of room to use this holster.  I'm liking this holster so far.

Sam, I sent you a PM.   CommsNBombs, Yeah, it sucks.  Someone could probably start a business on this project, though the military has this little thing called AWOL.   I love your humor.  I laugh and laugh every time I see:   "I thought those came pre-fuzed?!" National Guard Field Artillery 2LT to me, when I explained why his 155mm didn't exploded"

Sorry to post this non firearms related item, though I'm at risk for having to walk away from a huge project that will allow those involved to make good money.   I have a client that wants to change providers for their 150 location WAN, upgrading to MPLS.  They want to use their own routers.   I need a partner that can correctly architect the WAN, source and oversee installation of the hardware and possibly monitor the WAN once live.   Do any of you own a company or work for a company that can handle this?  The customer is here in Nashville.     If so, please send a PM to me.  This requires a a high quality provider - someone that has handled large projects and deals with WAN all the time.  I would rather walk away from the business than make a mess with something this important.

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  Sam, I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.  The width of the grip on my S&W Shield is a little more than 3/4" at the widest part. The length of the grip at the widest part is about 2".  I bought a medium holster.   They have a page on their website that tells you which size holster is needed for specific guns.   Here is a link:   http://urbancarryholsters.com/size-chart-v1     I was surprised at how comfortable it is sitting down - once the holster has been softened.  Part of the solution is figuring out how to adjust it once you sit.  I'm guessing one key is wearing pants that are baggy.  Those jeans are 2" larger in the waist than I need.  They fall right to the floor without a belt.   I'm not sure if the holster rubbing against my leg would be uncomfortable with a lot of walking.   One other thing that doesn't relate to the quoted posts is that I don't think anyone cole do a quick draw in their car with the seatbelt on.  If the belt locks when you move you'll be in trouble.  In my case, I have a full size M&P in the car, so I wouldn't count on it.   One final point, count on some time carrying the gun unloaded.  I've noticed that I'm much more prone to point the gun at myself as I'm figuring out how to use it.  This is new relative to any carry system I have ever used, so it will take some training.

Oops.  I would have realized that my comments don't apply in this situation if I had read his post more closely.

Here are some pics that show size and scale. This is a medium holster with a S&W Shield 9mm.

ok, I'll provide some updated info.  I need a full week to provide complete feedback, though let me share new info.   I followed their instructions to break in the holster and it made a big difference.   I like this holster and it is fairly comfortable so far.  This holster will definitely have a place with me.  Not sure yet whether I'll use this one all the time, or a kydex inside the waistband when I don't need a tucked in shirt.   This is not a holster for a full size gun.  I'm using it with an M&P Shield.  You could probably get away staggered clip the size of the M&P Compact.  I would try to use it with a gun that uses the medium sized holster or smaller.   It's fine when standing, though someone who walks all day may find that it irritates skin.  It's very comfortable when sitting, though pants have to be loose fitting or a size more than needed.   Questions from posts above:   "I'm cautiously curious but would have to see one in person before considering a purchase."  I'm happy to meet for coffee or can bring it to the next TGO get together.     "how it feels when you're driving."  It feels fine as long as there is room in your pants.  One thing I don't like is that it's pointed at your leg sometimes.  I have an M&P Shield, which I trust not to go off.  The gun is completely surrounded by leather.  At least it never points at The Boys.   "How do you draw when seated? Or crouching?"  When seated, you would have to straighten your body enough so that the angle between your torso and thigh would allow you to draw.  I would think you can't draw it while crouching unless you can reduce the torso / thigh angle outlined above.   Here are some more thoughts. This is a great option for use when you have to tuck in your shirt. I suspect this is better than an ankle holster for most applications.  I've never used and ankle holster, though have heard that they make people feel unbalanced. The smaller the gun, the more comfortable it will be. I'm going to suggest to Urban Carry that they at least look into whether they can do holsters that are specific to gun models.  That would allow for the holster to be smaller.   The leather is pretty thick, it may be that thinner leather can be used. They sew a piece of leather on the back where you can keep your HCP.  I'm going to email them and ask if that is needed for support.  If not, I'm going to remove it.   I'll keep you all updated.

Many thanks for all of the input!

Referring back to the original post regarding the quick mart in Franklin near Publix.   I visited the Williamson County jail multiple times when working with a young guy that earned multiple felonies by stealing in order to pay for drugs.  He's been doing well for several years now.   So, back to the quick mart in question.  Williamson County is one of the most upscale counties anywhere.  I was surprised when I learned that they have murder suspects in custody more often than you would think.     That quick mart is on the corner of Royal Oaks and Riverside Drive.  Going up the hill on Riverside from the quick mart, you pass Einstein's, Starbucks and then go straight into a hotel parking lot if you don't turn 90 degrees on Riverside.   The young man I referred to was in that hotel when the he was arrested.  My thinking is that if one person who was whacked out on drugs was hanging out there that there would be more.  If I'm correct, then it makes perfect sense that a derelict was hanging out at that quick mart as it is only about 100 yards away.     I think of quick marts as being more likely to have derelicts than places like Starbucks.     I wanted to post this as many of you live down there.  I would never had realized that the nicest communities have a dark underside if I hadn't been working with that young man.

Thanks Hozzie.  I'm going to order that part.   Who has ideas for the Savage 110?

I will definitely provide feedback.  The only question I have is whether it will be comfortable.  

I have two guns, two scopes and need some input on how to mount them First one: CZ 452. You can see in the pic below that they have a dove tail scope mount built into the receiver. I’m going to install a Nikon 3-9x40. The scope already has rings and mounts as you can see in the picture. The bolts on the bottom of the scope fit into slots in the dove tail mount on the gun it came from, though there are no slots on the 452. So, how do I mount this? I can mount as is, though the round part of the two bolts would be the only parts touching the gun on the top of the receiver on the gun. Is that ok? Input? Next, the gun is a Savage 110. As you can see in the pics, there are two plates attached via screws that have slots for the bolts on the scope mount. I’m putting a Hi-Lux Computer 2.5-10x44 Model M1000. As you can see in the pic, the front portion of the scope has a bar meant to go into a slot. That bar is wider than the slot in the rail on the gun. The instructions for the scope say that it will fit any Weaver-style base or pica tinny rail and does not require specific of slots. What would you do with this? Pic set 1, Nikon Scope to be installed on CZ receiver Second Photo Set: Hi-Lux Scope (2 views) and Savage 110 receiver it will be mounted on

I have a new one, though want to wait before commenting on comfort.  They make a point of telling you that the holster has to be broken in which I haven't done. Right now it isn't comfortable, but then neither is a pair of leather footwear until it gets broken in.   The draw is nice.  It pops up and presents the gun very nicely.  Also, you can wear a shirt that is completely tucked in.  I work around a lot of folks in a dressy / business casual environment where a collared shirt that is tucked in is the norm.   The folks who make it are a small company that is very customer focused.  All emails have been promptly returned.  They ask for customer feedback and take it into account.  For example, the first model had their logo stamped on the part that shows.  I told them I wanted anonymity in carrying.     They got back and said they are about to launch a line that has them without the logo and they provided one to me with no logo.   Also, I'm left handed and it works like a charm from that perspective.

What a great feeling to finally succeed at a vexing task!   Show us some pics - would be great to see them.

I got the letter.  I'm going to go ahead and pony up for a lifetime at $500.     I have definite concerns for 2nd amendment rights:   Gun control is something liberals will rally around and it's gaining steam with the school shootings    A growing concern for me is that Hillary will take the White House.  I view Trump as un-electable.  I could go with Ben Carson, though inconsistencies with his story are causing trouble.  Bush can seem to get a solid campaign together.  Fiorina is fading as more comes out about challenges HP had with her at the helm.   I view this as a good time to help with money.  If we can get the house and senate - things the NRA does well, then we can listen to Hillary whine and moan about inability to get gun control passed just like Obama does.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is ditching the .40 caliber Smith & Wesson to return to the 9mm jacketed hollow-point luger, The Washington Post reports. The 9mm was once the standard round for the FBI, but after the infamous 1986 Miami shootout that left 2 agents dead and five agents wounded the Bureau surmised that the 9mm did not have the firepower to effectively pierce body armor. The FBI tried a new round, the 10mm, before settling on the shorter .40 S&W, which is used by many law enforcement agencies today. However, according to Ray Cook, the chief of the FBI’s Defensive Systems Unit, the bureau began to reconsider the 9mm as early as 2007 because of advances in technology. Ballistics tests showed the rounds used in the 1986 shootout tested lowest on the scale while new 9mm rounds like the 147 grain Speer Gold Dot G2 allow for more penetration, the most important facet of the FBI’s testing. Cook says the lighter bullet yields 12 to 18 inches of penetration into a human target and is more effective than the rounds carried in 1986. The lighter round also allows agents to fire more accurately in high-pressure situations like shootouts. This change can have far-reaching implications for other law enforcement agencies and police departments, who often follow the FBI’s lead on choices like ammunition. 

“When we do something, local departments take note,” Cook said. “They see that if it works for us, it’ll work for them, too.” When the bureau changes ammunition it will also change what firearms their 13,000 agents use. The FBI has used Glock variants chambered in .40 S&W since 1997, but a request for proposal (RFP) on a new handgun was posted in early October with an anticipated award date of June 2016. The contract, potentially worth $85 million, has very specific guidelines for both compact and full-size pistols. According to the RFP, they must be striker fired, have ambidextrous magazine catches and slide stop levers, no manual external safety, no de-cocking lever, and no finger grooves on the frame, along with other guidelines.