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This is good.    USA Today, to their credit, published an editorial written by Wayne LaPierre, Jr.    The NRA is doing a better job of responding to gun control people in a manner that is effective as I see it.

I'm surprised this isn't getting more interest from TGO.   Bloomberg acted badly at a Nashville gun show.  Even the ATF indicated that the gun show didn't do anything wrong and the folks board at the fair, who cancelled the show, are quoting something from many years ago as proof that they are right.

Bloomberg investigation cited in fairgrounds gun show debate Joey Garrison, jgarrison@tennessean.com7:32 p.m. CST December 8, 2015 Nashville’s Metro-owned fairgrounds was among a handful of gun show sites nationwide where then-New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration six years ago sent undercover private investigators to seek to document the illegal sale of guns. What they reported back is now being cited by members of Nashville’s Metro Board of Fair Commissioners as they defend their controversial action last week to halt future gun shows at The Fairgrounds Nashville until gun show operators agree to new safety guidelines and other rules. New York City outlined the findings of its four-month investigation in a 36-page report called "Gun Show Undercover," which was a project spearheaded by Bloomberg, who for years has been one of the nation's most outspoken gun control advocates. The highly disputed investigation — one that gun enthusiasts have blasted as unfair, biased and inaccurate — consisted of sting operations at seven gun shows across the county, including Bill Goodman’s Gun and Knife Shows at the Fairgrounds Nashville on Aug. 8-9, 2009. Investigators concealed hidden cameras in baseball caps or purses and concealed audio recording devices in their watches as they interacted with gun show vendors and set out to purchase guns. The report cited two alleged instances at the Nashville fairgrounds in which dealers appeared to knowingly sell guns to buyers with questionable backgrounds. The investigation also singled out four alleged examples in which dealers appeared to sell guns to other individuals in order to allow the buyer to avoid background checks. Evidence in the report included one video of an undercover investigator seeking to buy a Glock 27 gun at the Nashville fairgrounds by having a female friend fill out paperwork as part of a gun background check. The buyer is seen alerting the dealer that he’s seeking to avoid filling out paperwork, but the dealer checks the ID of the woman and sells the gun to her anyway. The Bloomberg report was not mentioned by fair board members before they voted 3-0, with one member abstaining, last week to stop holding future gun shows unless gun operators agree to new safety rules. Instead, fair commissioners largely cited testimony from an assistant Davidson County district attorney, who singled out three cases she said linked guns purchased at the fairgrounds to felons. “I was surprised not to know about it,” said fair board chairman Ned Horton, who said he learned about the report after the vote. He’s now singling it out to defend the board’s action. “It is a pretty solid overview of how guns can get into the hands of people who shouldn’t legally be buying them," he said. “He’s kept saying, ‘There’s no problems. There’s no problems,’ ” Horton said, referring to Goodman’s gun show promoter David Goodman. “And we’re presented with information that differs from that. There are problems, and we’d like to eliminate problems of this kind for public safety reasons.” But Goodman said findings in the report are false and that dealers cited in the investigation were never found to have done anything wrong. He objected to the undercover tactics, including the fact that the investigators were agents paid by New York City. He argued that full video footage of sting purchases wasn’t shown, and he accused Bloomberg himself of unlawfully purchasing guns across state lines. “That was a long time ago,” Goodman said. “We’ve already met several times with the (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) and nobody was convicted of anything. Nobody went to jail. Nothing ever happened because we weren’t doing anything wrong. “That’s bull****,” he said of Bloomberg’s tactics in the report. “To say ‘Hey this is what’s going on at gun shows,’ when come to find out people in the video were actually agents of Mayor Bloomberg … If anybody broke the law, it was Mayor Bloomberg, not us.” Michael Knight, a spokesman for the ATF's Nashville division,confirmed that the agency has had meetings with Goodman but was not able to elaborate on what was discussed . Knight also said some of the aspects of the report dealt with “ethical instead of legal” questions, and would not have fallen under ATF's jurisdiction. He characterized some findings in the report as “subjective” but declined to offer additional details because it is not an ATF report. “If all instances are true — and we’ll give it at face value that all instances are true — that’s a small percentage of the big picture of gun issues in this country,” Knight said, though later adding that even one incident that results in a tragic event is an ATF priority. Bloomberg report slammed Bloomberg’s administration released the report in 2009 to further his argument that illegally purchased guns have entered New York and made the city less safe. Bloomberg has not been mayor of New York since 2013. Upon its release, the Bloomberg report was immediately slammed by the National Rifle Association, which accused the New York mayor of “grandstanding” during what was an election year. Gun rights advocates also asked why Bloomberg hadn’t worked with law enforcement officials to make arrests on the spot. John Harris, president of the Tennessee Firearms Association, said findings in the 2009 investigation were contested because of Bloomberg's “open bias” on guns and gun shows. “I also seem to recall that there were no enforcement actions taken (by) any law enforcement agency based on or related to that Bloomberg report,” Harris said. “It was entirely, I would submit, essentially prejudicial in terms of the conclusions that it drew.” Goodman of Bill Goodman’s Gun and Knife Shows, one of two gun show operators at the fairgrounds, has said his operation goes beyond what is required by law. All vendors must be federally licensed and therefore conduct background checks that are designed to prevent sales to people who aren’t authorized to buy them, he said. Under federal law, private sellers — who are assumed to be occasional sellers and hobbyists — aren’t required to give background checks but must not knowingly sell guns to prohibited purchasers. Details of stings The 2009 investigation of Bill Goodman’s Gun and Knife Show at the fairgrounds found 17 federally licensed dealers and 16 private sellers out of 33 vendors that investigators tallied. Goodman said that at the time of the investigation he did not have the same federally licensed policy that he does today. The Bloomberg investigation conducted what it called “integrity tests” of both federally licensed dealers and private dealers. One set of sting operations sought to simulate buyers who sellers would have reason to believe are prohibited purchasers. This type of simulation was performed on private sellers. At the Nashville fairgrounds, the investigation reported Bill Goodman’s Gun and Knife Shows passed one private seller integrity test and failed two of them — meaning that in two out of three cases guns were allegedly sold to people who the sellers would have reason to believe were not authorized to buy guns. Investigators asked about background checks and told sellers that they "probably couldn't pass one." The second type of sting operations reviewed federally licensed dealers by seeking to stage “straw purchasers,” a federal felony that occurs when a dealer allows someone to fill out paperwork and undergo background checks for another person who is the actual buyer. This sting involved two undercover investigators, one man and one woman. The male investigator played the role of someone who wanted to purchase a handgun, but appeared to be unable to do so for an unstated reason. The female investigator played the role of a “straw purchaser,” someone who appeared to be buying the gun on behalf of the man. At the Nashville fairgrounds, the report claims that the gun show operator failed all four of the integrity tests of federally licensed dealers. Among all seven gun shows tested nationally, the Bloomberg investigation alleged that sellers — combining both federally licensed and private dealers — failed 74 percent of all integrity tests. In addition to the Nashville fairgrounds, other gun shows that Bloomberg’s administration executed sting operations at were in Smyrna; Dayton, Ohio; Niles, Ohio; Sharonville, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio; and Reno, Nev. The report said these shows were each in states that, at the time, supplied guns trafficked across state lines at the highest rates. To “narrow the field,” the report said the City of New York reviewed a range of other factors, including proximity to urban areas with gang violence. The investigation used a team of 40 investigators from a private firm that included former law enforcement officials, but none were still working for law enforcement agencies at the time. This past weekend, Bill Goodman’s Gun and Knife Shows held the final two gun shows at the Nashville fairgrounds under action taken by the fair board. The board voted to halt gun shows that are more than 30 days out until operators agree to new standards for shows. These could include signage that states gun sales require background checks, additional police security in parking lots and liability coverage paid by vendors that protects the city. Goodman has opposed many of these proposed measures. Legal questions, however, have clouded the board’s action and some Metro Council members are working to fight the move. THE TENNESSEAN Mayor Megan Barry has legal questions on halting fairgrounds gun shows Mayor Megan Barry, who has not taken a stand on the issue, has asked the Metro Department of Law to review the legality of the board’s action. A group of council members has introduced a resolution, set for consideration Tuesday, that would ask the fair board to overturn its action.

Blond - I'm good with that   She can learn English   Very old now - work with me here.   Cow bell - That's the uniform, not her.   Hate Mosin's - Good sir, they is something wrong with you!  :shake:   The short of it:  Comms and Night can't handle a woman that may be a better shot than them.  

  Welcome IToon!     I would second what David says above - you can never be too careful in a Internet forum - even one as good as this one.

What's more could I ask for? - Loves her Mosin - Attractive - and the bonus - she's a genuine sniper!

Wow, what an effective marketing campaign.  They are giving away about $500 or $600 worth of stuff in exchange for contact info for many thousands of gun enthusiasts - almost 45,k entries.  Some folks have multiple, but still.   Heck, I entered to get on his mailing list.

Wait a minute.  You are telling me that total gun confiscation won't protect us from ISIS?   Fortunately, most of the comments to the article effectively point out the lack of reality in his article.

What I don't like is that it gives the anti gunners a home where they can build strength.   I worked in an industry in the 90s where the unions wanted to expand.  One of the major fighting points between the unions and my employer was whether they had to unionize the whole company or whether parts could unionize.   The unions wanted to be able to go after their goal piecemeal rather than having to turn the whole thing.   My concern about this is that relative to 2nd Amendment rights, SCOTUS has just announced that they can go after their goals in a piecemeal fashion.

    Are you a big fan of vintage military guns?  If so, what are your favorites?   I would say anything from WWI or WWII, especially from the US and Russia followed by Finland and Germany.  1903 Springfield, M1 Garand, Mosin's, K98.  I also like the SKS guns, though I'm not sure they saw service in WWII.

Yeah, it must be that Sako name.

  I'm glad you posted this.  I thought they went up by $50.  The Sako's were gone by the time I placed an order last time they had them.   I retract my strongly negative comments.  Their customer service definitely has room for improvement. Though they have made efforts to improve, which I saw yesterday.

He was completely out of line and should have been arrested.     Able bodied / minded people being on welfare bothers me - I work and pay taxes.   The issue for me is our government and their inability to say 'no'.  Even the Republicans supported never ending unemployment - the number of people on permanent disability increased dramatically in the last recession as many people felt like they couldn't find jobs.    If I remember correctly, 1 in 7 in the state of TN are on the public dole.  A lot of them are disabled  or have a legitimate need and should have benefits.  It certainly can't be 1 in 7 though.

  They have increased the price significantly and their service is still poor. 

I think it is funny.  Putin is far too old to have the many pictures circulating showing him without a shirt.  Something funny about seeing him riding a ritz cracker!

The claim that three firearms from the show were used in crimes sounded fishy to me.  I looked into it and have come to some conclusions based on the article in the paper.   Here is what is in the paper:   But Davidson County Assistant District Attorney Jenny Charles, among the gun control advocates who spoke before the board Tuesday, raised doubts over Goodman’s claims of mandatory background checks by providing details of three criminal cases in Nashville that she said involved people who purchased firearms at gun shows at the fairgrounds.   One example she cited is a federal case involving defendant Mohammed Metleg, who evidence indicates purchased a Smith & Wesson .40-caliber firearm at the Nashville fairgrounds in October 2011. That gun and other guns possessed by Metleg later surfaced during an illegal smuggling ring that sent guns to Australia. Australian authorities believe the guns were used in gang activity in that country. Another case, one prosecuted by Charles, involves defendant Desmond Hosten, a multiple-convicted felon who Charles said was not legally permitted to possess a gun. Charles said ammunition was found in his car this year during an arrest for a drug charge. Hosten acknowledged to possessing a gun, she said. Later, in an interview with detectives, Hosten said he purchased an AR-15 firearm at a gun show. That gun show was later determined to be held at the fairgrounds.  A third case, she said, came in April when officers responded to a narcotics and weapons complaint at the residence of Parrish Wilson, a convicted felon. Police found multiple guns, including a Rock River Arms AR-15 and a Winchester .30 rifle, inside his home. According to court documents, the individual told authorities he was a gun collector and purchased the guns at the Nashville fairgrounds.  So, she is saying that he hasn't been doing background checks because there are no records tying the guns in question to sales at the fairgrounds.  The first example doesn't explain the 'evidence' tying the gun to the fairgrounds.   The next two examples show where the gun control folks are taking the word from criminals over the word of a legitimate business man.  If I was a crook caught with guns, which I may well have stolen, I would offer an explanation like this to stay out of trouble.       Byrd said he would love to sit down and try and develop new provisions that work. "But we have been lied to consistently about how these gun shows operate," he said.   What lies have they been told?  Is he saying that the gun show folks are lying because criminals said they were?

I tried to ship a gun and it was a never ending hassle, leading to my policy of only selling guns where I can meet face to face.    If I had to ship one, I would see what the FFL would charge to ship it and realize there would the the FFL charge on each end plus shipping.

  I use one of these as well and saw an interview with a sercurity expert who said good things about this tuype of device.     One thing I noticed is the I have to keep it rotated so that gravity keeps the metal pin in place.  There are plenty of ways to fix that, which is what I plan on doing.  I like the way that nothing has to be installed.     I'm not looking for this to keep them out forever - just long enough to hear them, hop out of bed and clear the cobwebs and introduce them to my Mossberg 500 Tactical aka 'The Thumper'.

He comes across as a wierd kid.  I suspect his intention was to make a clock that looked like a bomb, so he cold then claim that he had been treated poorly.  MIT should be smacked for inviting him to come there.  Of course, Obama had him to the White House...

ok, so I'm sitting here looking at a full size M&P slide.   If by roll pin, you mean the little round, somewhat silver colored piece to the right of the extracter, then mine sticks out like yours and is spring loaded.   My extracter looks like yours.     Above the extracter on yours there is a white piece of plastic and a little piece of metal which appear to be about the same height as the extracter.  Mine doesn 't have either of those.

Oops, based on the comment below, my post may have been a little over the top.

Nice!

Robert,   I hope you are right about the front runner changing.  I remember thinking about how a candidate, may have been Bill Clinton's first presidential election, and how they were like the Terminator.  Bad info kept coming out, but he didn't give up and went on to win.   I don't know how who is getting money among the Republicans, hopefully Rubio.  

    Triple Digit Ride absolutely gets the award for best avatar, at least among those of us that are old school.  

I'm in.     There are some great ones, I especially like Yukon Cornelius and the ladies leg lamp from Christmas Story.    I'm surprised no one has used a Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle.  Are you worried that you'll shoot your eye out?