Pete123

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As long as he is shooting safely shell just have to learn to accept it.  

Depending on the model and use of the rifle, I might get the synthetic and take the extra money and get a laminated stock.    I think laminate looks really cool.  Also, you would have many different stock styles to pick from.   Here is a link to one of the laminate manufacturers.   http://www.rifle-stocks.com/laminated_woods.htm

Glad you are here.  Not familiar with Webleys, but would like to learn.

There are some good ones in there.

  It will be in Clarksville, though folks can certainly commute.  As far as Nashville goes, they are are looking at getting about 17,000 of office space, which of course will create jobs.     As far as data center space in Nashville, they are currently renting cages in a couple of downtown Nashville public data centers.

  If I have a valid carry permit, that means I can armed rob people and it isn't illegal, right?

Bump - want to make sure that those who may have interest in jobs there know about it.

In line with previous comments, there are happy people everywhere and unhappy people everywhere.  I'm in metro Nashville and love it, though the first big purchase as my company takes off is land where I can go shooting when I want to - which will most likely be in the middle of nowhere.     What a completely negative article.

Tech giant close to buying former Hemlock Semiconductor site for 70-employee operation       STORY HIGHLIGHTS Google recently announced plans for similar data center in Northeast Alabama. The move comes as the company's Google Fiber division separately is bringing its gigabit-speed Internet and TV service to Nashville.   Google is planning to build a data center at the former TVA megasite once home to Hemlock Semiconductor in Clarksville, according to people familiar with the development deal. The Mountain View, Calif.-based tech giant is negotiating to buy the property for the project, which would expand its footprint in the greater Nashville region. Google plans to invest more than $500 million in the data center and create about 70 full-time jobs. On Monday, the Montgomery County Commission and the Clarksville-Montgomery County Industrial Development Board are set to vote on the land deal. With that approval, Google would then be able to sign a formal purchase agreement Tuesday with the industrial development board, which holds the title to the property. "Part of the positive economic impact is attracting other industries, creating more job potential," said Jerry D. Plummer, an economics professor with Austin Peay State University in Clarksville. "Once Goggle sets one up, they will probably never shut it down." The Google data center would diminish bitterness in Clarksville from Hemlock shuttering its $1.2 billion polysilicon plant before it opened. County leaders had touted that operation, which was to initially employ 500, as a potential economic driver similar to the military base at Fort Campbell. In abandoning that plant nearly a year ago, the Michigan-based Dow Corning subsidiary cited an oversupply of polysilicon — a base material needed for solar panels — and the threat of potential tariffs on its products sold into China. Google could fill that void with an operation that continues its investment in creating data centers to power its services. The company's plans for Clarksville come as its Google Fiber division is bringing its gigabit-speed Internet and TV service to Nashville. The Clarksville location would be the tech giant's 15th data center. It would be similar to one Google announced over the summer for part of a former TVA coal plant site near Bridgeport, Ala. Construction is expected to start next year on that $600 million Northeast Alabama project, which is expected to create up to 100 jobs initially. The data centers power the Internet and are where information is stored and accessed by Google's users. As more people use the Internet worldwide and more information is stored in the cloud, the company needs to expand its capacity. "I would think their need for storage capacity for the cloud would be the driver for their need for more space," said Ron Bailey, vice president of business development with The Greater Jackson County Chamber of Commerce in Scottsboro, Ala. "The more customers that they have that are using Google, the more it slows the system down."   A Google spokesman declined to comment on plans for the Clarksville location or the timeline for getting a data center up and running. The design phase can take six months to a year, with construction lasting another 18 months to two years. Google doesn't disclose compensation information, but officials in Jackson County, Ala., have said that the jobs planned at the data center in Bridgeport, near Chattanooga, are expected to pay $45,000 a year plus benefits. Bailey said Google's biggest labor need at that location is for technicians, who don't necessarily require a college degree, and security jobs. "One out of every 10 employees, their role would be for security," he said. "The security of that data is going to be of utmost importance."     The offices of the $1.2 billion former Hemlock Semiconductor plant in Clarksville, which closed before operations began. (Photo: Greg Williams / The Leaf-Chronicle)   In Lenoir, N.C., Google opened a data center eight years ago, sparking growth of the North Carolina Data Corridor along U.S. Highway 321. That corridor now includes companies such as Apple, Facebook, American Express, Bed Bath & Beyond and Disney. Google's 220-plus acre data center site there has 250 employees, said Deborah Murray, executive director for the Caldwell County Economic Development Commission in Lenoir. Data center companies typically look at a location's availability, the price of electric power, water and sewer capacity, and the local climate, she said. "If you're in an area extremely hot or extremely cold, it will be reflected in your utility costs," Murray said. In Clarksville, the former Hemlock plant has an on-site substation among existing infrastructure. Access at the site to renewable energy from the Tennessee Valley Authority likely is appealing to Google, which has a goal of using 100 percent renewable energy at its data centers.   TVA and the state's Department of Economic and Community Development are among agencies involved in discussions with Google. That indicates that the tech giant could receive economic incentives for locating the data center in Clarksville. "TVA has been and continues to be very supportive and excited about projects like this in the region, but as with all economic development projects respects the confidentiality of the process and the parties involved," said John Bradley, senior vice president of economic development for that federal agency. Business services including data and call centers are among industries targeted for job growth by both the state and Metro Nashville government. More than 5,051 Tennesseans work in the data center sector at 386 establishments and 10,700 work in nearly 200 telephone call centers statewide, according to the Department of Economic and Community Development. With the help of TVA, 14 available primary data center site locations have been identified across Tennessee, according to the agency's website.

  Moped,   You may try some of the talon grips.  They are a thin wrap around.  I use one on my Shield. In case you weren't aware, S&W made a change to their triggers on the M&P striker fired guns.  I wonder if you have one of the older ones.  I am funny about triggers and find the trigger on my M&P9 and Shield are great for striker fired.   The one thing you shared that is somewhat of a concern is the grip is not long enough to accomodate your hand.    In my mind, there are too many quality striker fired pistols to use one that doesn't fit me properly.  Especially for my defense gun.   I had a VP9 and loved it - loved it more than the M&P.  However, I'm left handed and the slide release for left hand folks is too long.  My grip interferes with the slide release which causes it to stay open after the last shot.   I have a friend who is left handed.  We joke that H&K must not have any left handed folks in their R&D department as he has the same issue with it that I do.

Love the tan backstrap

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/the-real-guns-of-star-wars/    

There are some twisted people in the world.

It's a crazy report.  Some folks have some bad habits, and the difference in the weight of the trigger pull between SA/DA Beretta and the M&P 9mm is pushing it over the edge.   I'm surprised that they didn't blame S&W.

  That's a good point and one that is on my mind.     I like your last sentence, 'tread carefully'.   I have plenty of trouble in my life without getting in trouble with either the ATF or IRS.

I'm thinking that I won't need one for what I want to do, though need to run it by the CPA.   Refinishing stocks - I don't need the whole gun - just the stock.     Ability to expense money I spend on guns - I think I can achieve that as well.  

Any of you that haven't look at the video link above that both CZ9MM and I posted......we both posted the same video and came up with the idea independently.

Secret Santa was very good to me. There were three themes: 1. Really cool stuff for my AR - a nice magazine, cleaning materials and a cool DSG Arms patch. 2. Great things for my apocolalypse kit 3. An LSDD (Liberal's Self Defense Device) Please note that you will have to click on the link to the short video to get the basic idea of how the LSDD works. Make sure to watch the video before scrolling down to the LSDD. Now, the video referenced above - the Liberal's Self Defense Device (LSDD) won't make sense until watching the video. https://youtu.be/uffhVqum7P4 Now, I present to you the LSDD:

This is a really good thread that is helping me wrap my mind around some of these issues.   Here are considerations on my mind:   What the law says How the ATF interprets it - Even if they are wrong, if charged I would have to pay big bucks to an attorney to prove they are wrong. What does the ATF consider to be serious - We all speed when driving, usually without consequences unless we are flying. What the risks are - I'll bet that Dane is correct that they can come search your home anytime if you have a home  based FFL. What is it I'm trying to achieve?   I want to refinish a stock here and there for others.  Could I meet TGOers, take the entire gun, and probably never have an issue?  Yes, I think so.  However, what I want to achieve is enjoying of refinishing the stock.  I don't need the whole gun, so I won't take the whole gun, which probably reduces liability.   If I were making holsters for friends that TGOers, I would think about whether I need to gun to do a good job.  If so, I may take the risk.  In the unlikely event that I were caught, I don't think they would arrest me if I can show ownership of all guns but that one.   I've been thinking more about what really concerns the ATF.  Here are my data points:   Both folks I spoke with wanted me to be able to achieve what I want, though I can't be a dealer with a C&R license and I can't take guns into the house.     While they did point out these issues, and tell me that I'm expected to honor them, it seemed that where they get concerned is when someone is a dealer that doesn't have oversight by them.  This is where I suspect you go from a friendly warning or reasonable fine to big trouble.     It appears to me that they define being a dealer based on how many transactions you have - which is something they can measure.   I know of a guy that bought so many guns one year in TN that the ATF came and paid him a visit.  He was able to show them most of the guns.  I'm sure he sold one or two, but that isn't what they were worried about.  If he couldn't have shown any of them, or just a couple, then I suspect they would have considered him an unlicensed dealer and it wouldn't have gone as smoothly.   I don't want to be a dealer - as Spiffy said I usually lose money when I sell.   Again, great conversation we have going.

For those that have interest, you can rent sleds at Stone's River for $3-4.  A lot of folks on here don't like Stone's River because of the fussy lady.  She is only on the pistol side.   The guys on the rifle side like are awesome.     All of them wear hearing protection, though one or two of them don't really need it as there is nothing left to protect. ;)

It sounds like many have interest.  Here is my thinking.  I spent much of my career as a salesperson selling expensive solutions that would be a mess if implementation didn't go well.   I was never one for the pushy, manipulative stuff.  If a prospect had interest, I spent at least half of my time thinking about risks that would concern them and what to do.  Of course I would ask them about concerns, though folks won't always share them.  Most people will worry that a decision will make them look bad, or worse, cost them their job.   When dealing with government workers, they tend to be very, risk averse.  The key is to work to figure out what the risks are that they will see and develop things to do to minimize their risk.   Common ways I would do this is offer to do a smaller pilot, so they can see exactly what they would be getting, letting them talk with existing customers, providing an easy way to get out of the contract, etc...   My best thinking is that this is what will increase the likelihood.  If you really want an ffl, hire an attorney that is well connected with county or city leadership.  They can sell it to the boss, who will call the zoning or business license folks and tell them what to do.

OS,  I think the law you are quoting is correct.  In practice, I get the impression from both of the folks I spoke with that what they pay attention to is the number of transactions.  That is something they can measure.   DaveTN,  I think the key is to talk with local officials with a well planned explanation of what it is that you want to achieve, with questions to determine where their concerns are as well as how you may be able to address those concerns.  My big interest is in refinishing stocks.     If I wanted to be able to take the whole gun in, I would call the ATF and hope for a helpful person.  If I didn't get a helpful one I would call back later.  Once I found the helpful one, I would ask them what the concerns of the local officials are and try to think through with them how I could address that so that I increase my chance for success when speaking with the local official.     Of course, they may turn it down anyway.  However, they may not.  I'm in Davidson County which means I have to deal with the City of Nashville.  It may be a non starter for me with this new liberal mayor.     As they say, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

I have learned more about about FFL's in the past couple of days than I ever wanted to know.  Here are some highlights.     Buying guns with the intent to sell them makes you a dealer which requires a regular FFL.  I have done this and know at least one other member that does this.  I think many of us buy guns, shoot them a while or decide that we don't like them and sell them.  I don't gather that there is any issue with that.   The C&R license is for collectors.  The spirit of the law is that you aren't buying with the intent to sell.  That doesn't mean that you can't sell some of them and it doesn't mean you can't make a profit.   In practice, their is no way for them to tell if you bought a gun with the intent to sell it.  What they focus on is how often transactions occur.  The guy at the ATF told me that you shouldn't be selling guns every week with a C&R.   I've spoken with two folks at the Nashville ATF office in the past couple of days and found them to be very helpful.  While the ATF leadership is under Obama’s thumb, these were friendly folks that wanted to help me figure out how to do what I want to do.    Here is what I want to achieve:   1. I spend a lot of money on guns and would like to treat this as a business so I can expense them on taxes.  I haven't gotten this one figured out yet, though I think it will work.  The ATF says you can't be a dealer without a FFL.   You can buy and sell them and you can make a profit - the real issue is how often you buy and sell them.   I think making some sales and having a profit here and there meets that requirement.  Refurbishing some gun stocks for pay will also support my case.   2. I like refurbishing guns - mainly refinishing stocks.  The only problem is that I don't have any stocks to refinish.  I thought I would buy some guns in rough condition, refinish the stock and remove rust and sell them.  Really not wanting to make a profit, just wanting stocks to work on. I'm grateful to Dolomite for sending a PM letting me know that is illegal.   A fellow TGOer has a little Marlin that has been in his family for a long time.  He offered to pay me to refurbish it.  I can't meet him, take the whole gun, bring it to my home, refinish the stock and remove rust from the exterior without a FFL.   If he'll remove the stock from the gun, then I can take only the stock and refinish it and there is no issue.   Now, the interesting part.  Many of us have been under the impression that you can't get a home based FFL - that you must have a store front.  I remember one guy saying that he would have to pay big bucks for rezoning.   As I was talking through wanting to refurbish guns for others, the guy from the ATF said that I may be able to get an FFL at my home.  He said I would need to go an talk with the zoning folks and to make sure to explain what I want to achieve.  He said that if I agree that I won’t be buying and selling guns out of my house and agree that customers can’t come to my house that I may be able to get them to allow it.   He inferred that The ATF would issue an FFL under those circumstances if the zoning folks agree to it.   What I gathered from both ATF folks is that the issue with them revolves around how many gun transactions you have.  If someone wants an FFL for whatever reason, I would encourage you to call the ATF, let them know what you want to do, and see if they can help you figure out how to do it.  If you want to have a lot of transactions then I expect you'll hear that you need a store front.    

The broker receives a commission from the providers. Some would argue that means they work for the providers.  It really depends on the individual.     The guy I use was was a referral from a friend.  He has looked out for me well through the years.  One time he suggested a more expensive policy, though I kept asking questions.  His contact info is above.  I'm comfortable sending folks to him, though as with anytime you are dealing with a sales person you have to pay attention.   When I first moved to TN I used the yellow pages to find one.  He was worse than terrible.  I would suggest asking around to find a good broker.  Small to medium business owners are good folks to ask.  If they have insurance for themselves and their employees then they are probably working with a broker and have a good feel for them.