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Ok, who do we have here?

  What an awesome story.  I wish there were more of these.

This is the second story I've heard of lint making a carry gun un useable.

Mike, I agree, who knows.  There were recently a bunch of news articles saying it had authenticated.  Though, at the end of the day all they have to work with is the picture.   Stay tuned, plenty more old west to come!  Indians and The OK Corral and Texas Rangers and plenty more!

More pics from The Lincoln County War, where Billy the Kid was involved. Below, Jose Chavez y Chavez, A minor outlaw in New Mexico, he joined the Regulators and later became a member of Billy the Kid's gang. Below is: John Henry Tunstall, 1853-1878. Employer of Billy the Kid and a number of young men who became known as "The Regulators. Of course, this couldn't be complete with a pic of Pat Garrett - we've all heard of 'Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid"

Mike, I'm assuming you are talking about SubSailer's post. The full picture is below. This is the second verified picture of Billy the Kid and was recently valued at about $5mm. The 4×5-inch tintype shows Billy the Kid and members from his gang, The Regulators, playing croquet in the summer of 1878 after a wedding. A big part of Billy the Kid's story was being part of The Lincoln County War. He was part of a group known as The Regulators, which is still used today. Here's a link with info about it: http://www.legendsofamerica.com/nm-lincolncountywar.html

Patrick,   Try Googling 'project guns for sale'.  Project guns are the term for something needing work.   Also, you may find a gunsmith who will give you a little part time work.  It would help your case to show up with something that demonstrates your tool and die skills.   Another thing you have to be aware of is the law.  As best I understand, you can't take in guns owned by someone else without a full FFL.

Of course we need some Billy the Kid action. Here are a few more: Billy the Kid was the best known of The Regulators in The Lincoln County War. Here is another player, a sheriff. In 1878, Sheriff William Brady was ambushed by the Regulators as he and his deputies walked down the street in Lincoln. Brady, who was allied with Murphy/Dolan, had sent the posse after Tunstall's livestock which resulted in Tunstall's murder and the beginning of the Lincoln County War.

Having thought about comments since my last one I have further thoughts.   First, none of us have any idea how either she or the husband will react.  We are dealing with people after all.   There is some risk with the approach I suggested.   Also, most of the time, it's not what you say but how you say it.  Of course the husband will be pissed if you say the gun is a piece of crap.  That's basic common sense.     I think this thread has given the original poster plenty to think about and consider.  Also, each of have a different view on how to handle things based on our life experience.  I appreciate straight talk delivered in a courteous manner.  

OK, time to mix the non gun thread up a little to The Old West. Below we have a pair of cattle rustling shoes

I'm going to break from the pack with another piece of input.  I haven't taught shooting classes and can't speak from experience in that instance.   I've spent my career talking to people about buying something from me.  I have always viewed my role as educating and enabling them to make the best decision for their company.  I've been in hundreds of situations where the prospective client made a big mistake.     I always say, 'This is your decision.  I think the best choice for you is X and here is why.  Sometimes they follow what I say and sometimes they don't.  Once they listen to what I say I then respect the decision they make.   In this case, I think it makes sense to bring it up with both of them.  Assuming that you are working with her tomorrow, I would bring it up and offer to let her use one of your guns whether or not her husband is there.  She's investing 8 hours on Sunday.  You are looking out for her by sharing this.  If he isn't there you can always suggest she talk it over with her husband.   I don't view this as throwing the husband under the bus.  Most likely, he is un-educated about guns and doesn't know the Raven is a piece of crap and that a .25 isn't a good defensive round.

Redbone Coonhounds are awesome - had one named Hambone for years and loved him.

Raven 25, wow.  That's a real Saturday Night Special.  What a piece of crap.   I would say something along the lines that the gun can be the difference between life and death.  A fancy gun isn't needed but a quality gun is a must and that someone planning on using a gun for self defense needs to plan on spending about this amount.

The five elements are below.  The idea is that situations vary.  I have a friend whose brother crashed a party and was drunk.     The home owner ran him off with a gun, followed him two blocks as he was retreating and shot him in the head.  This was at 4:00 in the morning.  It was in Texas.  The police weren't even going to charge the shooter, but enough neighborhood residents complained and they finally charged the shooter.   The law of self defense would tell you that this is an open and shut case. There are also fully justified shootings where people go to jail for 10-20 years.     My goal is to come as close as possible to meeting all five conditions.   Innocence - I think this means that you aren't the aggressor.  An example would be getting into a road rage contest and pulling over on the side of the road to cuss them out.  It escalates and you shoot him.  Instead of trying to avoid escalation, this driver willing escalated.   Imminence - the threat has to be imminent.  If they are 50 yards away and talking trash they are not an imminent threat unless they have a gun.  This is the one where most people get caught up.  They shoot the other person before the threat is imminent.   Proportional - If I'm a 30 year old guy in great shape and 90 year old grand pa who can hardly walk gets after me, I can't shoot him.  He doesn't have the means to hurt me.  (Unless he has a weapon of some kind)   Avoidance - Did the person try to avoid the shooting.  The guy in the road rage example above will have a hard time arguing that he tried to avoid the shooting.   Reasonableness - Would a reasonable person think this is reasonable.  Example here are when people shoot someone and claim they were in fear for their life, yet everyone knows that's BS.   There are three things that impact how the law is applied.  The statutes, the jury instructions and previous court decisions.   This thread has a lot of statutes that are quoted and discussed.  Remember, the actual statute is 1/3 of the equation.

  What I hate about the sentence in blue is that the law of the jungle will take over.  They'll cause a lot of trouble until they come to break in houses from folks like us, at which point they will be dying off.

It took me a minute to get Monkey's Star War's thing. Darth Vader didn't pay attention to the 'wet floor' add and is falling in the same position as the little guy on the sign.  That's funny.

I wish the causes listed by Gran Torino could be addressed so that Trevon isn't stealing and the home owner isn't losing what little she owns to a thief.     One thing is for sure.  Our government has no idea how to address it.

I started looking for redneck humor and was surprised at the things that have applied to me personally in my life. Here they are: I haven't done this with a Dorito's bag, but have done this with red tape as a kid. When I was a kid doing manual labor, I spent a lot of brakes in a wheel barrow like this. Might look redneck, but sure is comfortable. There are good reasons that I quit drinking 15 years ago and this is one of them. Hey, I'm a farm kid. We always had five or six dogs. I've used vice grips like this as well as shower handles plenty when I was younger.

So, I started posting some things that I thought were really funny that were unrelated to guns. Come to learn, not everyone likes that type of stuff. So, in the same way that there is a thread for 'what are you listening to" and 'whiskey and spirits, this is for funny or interesting things unrelated to the main focus of TGO. So, I'll kick it off with a few things I thought were good. Anybody want a used iPhone cheap?

I could have used one of them the other day.  BTQ, another friend and I went shooting at Stones River.     I'm standing there holding two rifles and all my gear and my pants fell down - all the way.   Fortunately for me, BTQ was behind me and not the other guy who I just recently met.   Fortunately for BTQ, I had boxers on - there are some things that you simply can't un-see.   :tinfoil:

Go ahead and admit it BTQ, you would rather have a homely girl friend than a pretty one.  That's ok, we still love you.