timcalhoun

Okay, if you are at half cock with the thumb safety on and pull the trigger, the hammer will fall. But, since it is not a true half cock and only a safety to prevent detonation on a hammer follow, it will not have enough inertia to detonate the round anyway. Also, with the thumb safety on, you cannot pull the hammer back to full cock. So carrying it hammer down, thumb safety on will not work unless you plan to flip off the thumb safety and then cock it. I think all we were trying to get across to you was that the gun was designed to be carried cocked and locked and why it is very safe to do. So, the question as to the half cock scenario was dismissed in favor of explaining the design better, in hopes of alleviating any fears you might have of carrying it cocked and locked.

You are correct, even with the thumb safety off, it will not fire unless the trigger is pulled back.

Again, there is a firing pin block. So in practice/theory, it is no different from a glock in that it wont go bang unless the trigger is pulled. If you don't believe that the firing pin block is in there............. do this: Make sure the gun is unloaded with the hammer cocked, now take an allen wrench or anything that is small in diameter enough to fit in the firing pin hole and push on the firing pin. You will see it move only a tiny bit and can't go forward much at all. Now, hold the hammer back with your thumb and at the same time pin the trigger to the rear, with the other hand use the allen wrench (or whatever) to push on the firing pin. You will see it now goes very deep and the pin itself will exit the breech-face. The thumb safety when applied rotates the hammer back off the sear and locks the hammer in place. When you pull the trigger with the hammer locked back (thumb safety on) you are actually moving the sear. In that respect, it is not like a 1911 thumb safety at all. A 1911 thumb safety locks the sear from moving, and even if the sear magically disappeared or broke in two, the thumb safety will prevent the hammer from falling much past half way. The 238 is a very safe gun to carry cocked and locked.

None that I know of Jim.

Hammer follow can happen when parts get extremely wore (for the most part), so when you shoot the gun, instead of the sear catching the hammer at full cock, it falls forward and so they put another catch on the hammer to prevent detonation. Yes, I'm sure about the firing pin safety. The trigger has to be pulled in order for the firing pin block to get out of the way.

It is like a 1911 in that the half cock is not designed as a safety. It is only a hammer follow safety. The gun should be carried cocked and locked. It also has a firing pin safety that is only disengaged when the trigger is pulled back like a series 80 1911.

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Aaron started a new job this week so I'm guessing that is what is going on.

Well, I always say that there is almost nothing drop in on a 1911 unless it is mil-spec (and then maybe). Way way too many manufacturers for the specs to be close, and all the good parts are made big so you have to fit them. That being said, you should not have any trouble with his kit (once it is in there) if your frame and pins are square.

Series 80 has a notch for the firing pin block.

Okay, but bring your gun just in case. It's no big deal to jump right in and new shooters are given a good briefing that explains everything. Also, the more experienced shooters will help you all you want and we make a point to squad any new shooter with atlest some of them. It's really no big deal. Hope to see you Sunday.

Also if you need mag pouches let me know you need to have atleast 4 on your belt and I like five for a just in case mag.

I have some 8 rounders and a couple 10 rounders you can borrow. I'll be there Sunday but if you are coming Saturday let me know and I'll get them to you some way.

Perfect. That is a perfect gun for Single Stack or L-10 if you have 10 round mags.

Not really on handguns, most anything you own will fit nicely somewhere.............. Depending on what you are shooting, it may fit better in one division or another depending on caliber etc. And some divisions have restrictions on magazine capacity, but if you want to fill your mags up, that is not a problem either, since you can move up to Limited or even Open with pretty much any gun. What gun are you shooting?

I'll be there Sunday!

I like it!!!!!

Enjoy this blast from the past.

Well, could it be because about every manufacturer makes a 1911?????? That's a lot of advertising dollars to ignore.......no?

Well, I guess before you could celebrate this anniversary for glock, it would have to first be adopted by the military. But we could celebrate it's manufacturing date........(well celebrate or mourn depending on your perception).

Today is the 100th year anniversary of the adoption of the 1911 as the official sidearm of the US military. Post your favorite 1911 related pics. Here is one of mine:

Beyond that what would be the point in a uniformed officer carrying concealed? It's not like you stick out or anything.