Omega

While I see your point, I disagree.  Getting your serial number out there will greatly increase your chances of getting it back.  If I go to buy a gun and find it is stolen I will contact the owner or LE to let them know, this way I can be sure that the gun is not tied to me in a theft investigation and will give the police any information on how or who I bought it from.  I never buy a gun without some type of information exchange, whether it be phone number or email only.  If you don't report it, it may trade hands many times before someone checks with the police department where the serial number is recorded.  Besides, I would rather the gun be thrown into a river than it stay in the hands of the SOB who stole it.

The thing is this; If you are a law abiding citizen of the US, you follow the law whether you agree with it or not or suffer the consequences.  If you do not like the law, work to get it changed.  If you choose to break the law then you accept responsibility for what happens when the law gets enforced.  I don't purport to follow every law, but I accept the traffic ticket when I get pulled over speeding or I forget my seat belt.  If someone kills one of my kids, I'll accept whatever punishment comes from the retribution I deal out, period. 

Timing may suck, but I don't think its a celebratory monument.  It sounds more like an informational type setup.  I think no matter where you stand on this, it is important to study it to try and develop ways to minimize loss of life on both sides.   Edit for speeling.

Quote From: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten2.html   "Who started the fire that erupted a little more than six hours after the FBI began inserting the tear gas on April 19? Although several of the surviving Branch Davidians insist that they did not start the fire, a panel of arson investigators concluded that the Davidians were responsible for igniting it, simultaneously, in at least three different areas of the compound. Unless they were deliberatley set, the probability of the three fires starting almost simultaneously was highly unlikely, according to fire experts. Furthermore, the videotapes show the use of accelerants that strongly increased the spread of the fire. Although one Branch Davidian stated that a FBI tank had tipped over a lantern, videotapes show that the tank had struck the building a minute and a half before the fire began. Also some of the surviving Davidians' clothing showed evidence of lighter fluid and other accelerants. In addition, FBI listening devices seemed to establish that the Davidians were overheard making statements such as, "Spread the fuel," some six hours before the fires began. (Joint Hearing of the Crime Subcommittee July 1995.) What caused the death of more than 80 Branch Davidians inside the compound on April 19? Medical examiners, Dr. Nizam Peerwani and Dr. Rodney Crow, have told FRONTLINE that many of them died from asphyxiation when the intense fire raced through the compound. Others, particularly women and children who huddled under wet blankets in a concrete chamber, were fatally injured when debris collapsed on them during the fire, the officials said. Still others were shot to death, suicide or homicide victims in apparent mercy killings, they said. Both the coroners and some FBI sources have told FRONTLINE that the pattern of most of the bodies was not consistent with a theory of mass suicide."

Wasn't the fire started by the branch guys?

I think of it like this; run-of-the-mill home invasions they are looking for a quick buck because they think you have money on the premises, or tweekers wanting to check your medicine cabinet.  Armed resistance will more than likely have them on the run quickly.    Home invasions where they have a purpose, say they know you have a large collection of weapons they or their gang can use, drugs and the money that goes with it, jewelry they seen you or your wife wearing etc.  In this scenario they will come prepared, this is the one that is less likely for me, as I don't have anything like that in the house and I don't or would not advertise if I did.  This is one where a saferoom or some such is warranted, but since its expensive setup only those with a high likelihood of these occurrences can afford one.   Riots, civil unrest etc.  As has been said, not very likely and only those that are near a flashpoint need to worry about this.  If a home/store owner downtown or near a courthouse or some other high probability area, its best to vacate the area.  This is where a sidearm and a rifle/shotgun may come in handy if rioters try to prevent you from leaving in a hostile way.   Natural disaster, most likely scenario.  If its a localized event, say a tornado or medium to large storm.  A sidearm to protect your property from looters would more than likely be sufficient.  A chainsaw and generator will come in handy until power is restored or until you can pack whatever is left of your belongings and get to a permanent/semi-permanent shelter.    If its a large event like say a meteor strike, super volcano, or another katrina storm then its more of a survival like scenario.  Food, water and shelter with weapons to protect what you have will be needed for as long as it takes until national guard or other organized help gets in and settles things down.  If its a world wide killer asteroid like event, well I guess I go looking for Jennifer Anniston to keep me company until the end.

You mean she hasn't got to you yet? I'll send her along soon. :devil:   I am with you on that, I am worried more about storms than I am full out armed defense.  Having said that, I am prepared to defend my family and home in the off chance of a home invasion type scenario.  Being retired military I have plenty of training and gear to put up a heck of a resistance even to the most determined foe, but I am no fool.  If someone wants to get you bad enough and is willing to trade their lives for yours, or its a large enough group it will be a bad day, no matter how well prepared you are.

That is why we need some predators keeping an eye on things at night when they try to emplace these; Target aquired, clear to fire.

Honestly, there is no practical way to be prepared for something that in all probability will not happen. That does not mean not to think of a plan with what you have, but if you allow paranoia to run your life you will waste alot of money on things you will never use. Its wise to have a few days rations, water and a few survival items and a self defense plan with weapons and ammo. The most probable thing to happen is a natural disaster, tornado, earth quake, volcanic eruption etc so those things can help you survive for a bit. Learning survival techniques is also important, and not off some reality show; honest hands on training with firearms and improvised methods included.

I try not to, I have a few flex cuffs left but they are a one time use type so have, thankfully, not had to use any in the US.  My other cuffs have fuzzy covers and left at home :devil:  

I think it starts as a 2x4 rough sawn but shrinks as it gets sanded and dried, that is why rough sewn lumber is, usually, actual dimensions (or close to) and store bought is smaller. 

That sucks, sorry to hear it.  You should add the serial number to as many stolen weapons databases as you can to disseminate it as widely as possible.  

The problem is, you may not know what kind of unrest you are getting into. During the LA Riots, some were pulled from their vehicles and assaulted. If you know a riot is going on and you have a loved one in the midst (non involved) you may have to forcibly extract them if this type of riot is going on. Of course if you have no business in the area then turn around or go around. In MO, it seems that it was in nighttime that all the violence happened so anyone with business in the area had plenty of time to leave before then. If you are caught in the mallei because of error in judgment (they wont hurt me) or were part of the festivities then you are part of the problem to begin with.

I would totally expect incoming rounds, and it would not be the first time. Even if it were a 1 on 1 situation, if the situation warranted me pulling my gun then I expect the worst. I just hope my training and luck continues to be better than my opponents.

Me, I'd load my AR pistol in 300blk with an ammo can full of loaded mags. My glock 23 would be my backup. The 10.5 barrel is great in confined spaces and perfectly legal to carry locked and loaded.

I am with Sam1, apple has never impressed me. Their macs were always way too expensive and proprietary, I had to wait forever to install software available on pc. I got an iPhone when a&tt was about to get rid of unlimited data plans but rooted it almost immediately due to proprietary apps. I upgraded to a Samsung galaxy s3 phone and galaxy 10" tablet, which play great together, and haven't looked back since.

Yup, not U.S code. They sure make gun owners feel welcome to their state, I think I would rethink my travel plans if I had anything to visit there for.

Sure hope so, I would hate to have these guys slip through if they are guilty.

Definitely, since he is actually staying there at least overnight not straight through but the first part says INTO. There are links there to the actual U.S Code though. http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_ag2.html

I would check here: http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_trans.html

Well shoot, any prosecutor would absolutely be able to argue that I had a "kit" in my truck if I was ever accused of any type of crime being theft, murder or kidnapping. I currently carry zip ties (small to large), tape, a tarp, hack saw, knives, and even a set of bolt cutters along with other suspicious tools in my truck.

+1, I think there is something wrong with that picture. A presume she did not know the perps and would of resisted them so it would of not looked like it may of been her boyfriend. I would also like to know more about the supposed video, do they actually have it? I know they will not, and should not tip their hand yet but it will be interesting to find out how many people saw the video before someone reported it.

The closest one, then the next closest until the pursuit stops.   I am a proponent that you should not run away unless you are sure they are much slower. Running just makes it more difficult to get a good bead on a pursuer and may lead you to trip and drop your weapon.

yup, good use for those pesky zinc wheel weights.

Yea, I've heard that but never seen any sign of them or heard of anyone say they dropped one. They also used to be shotgun, BP only so range was an issue if you did see one. I bought a magazine fed rifled SG when I hunted FTCKY, now it just sits here collecting dust.