Punisher84

This. I'm 6'2 180 pounds and I conceal a Kimber Pro Carry II all the time.

I like it!

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When I hit the lottery I'm game lol

This one is 60 and I don't like it shining in my face. Surefire E2D Executive Defender® Self-Defense Flashlight

We used to, long before I worked there, have some type of Special Commission through the Sheriff's Department, but now it's just under TN citizen's arrest law. I guess the biggest difference is that I work for a private hospital system and we are run as campus security departments and are trained and expected to perform a certain way. That's to say my employer wants us to be proactive and not just call MPD every time we have someone look at us funny. We do pretty much everything in house. Arrests, investigations,etc. Here's the TCA: 40-7-109. Arrest by private person — Grounds. — (a) A private person may arrest another: (1) For a public offense committed in the arresting person's presence; (2) When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in the arresting person's presence; or (3) When a felony has been committed, and the arresting person has reasonable cause to believe that the person arrested committed the felony. ( A private person who makes an arrest of another pursuant to the provisions of §§ 40-7-109 — 40-7-115 shall receive no arrest fee or compensation for the arrest.

Quite possibly. Like I said I guess I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here to the SG and PD because we all think this was Kwik, but now if several others here were telling the story in a similar way it might give me more pause to defend. If I look at it from the middle ground, I'd say the SG may have been scared to actually do his job and let the cops do it for him. I also have a problem with that.

Maybe it's a full service hooker delivery company.

Sorry to hear man. Hope the pain eases quickly and the memories fill up that hurt.

I've always wanted to go to Alaska, not necessarily to hunt, just to see it. I'd imagine for a decent hunt you're looking at several thousand as Jason mentioned.

I've never been big on hunting or fishing shows because most of them seem like just big infomercials for various products. I can't really name any off the top of my head, but yeah just not a big fan.

If I ask you for your permit and you don't show it to me you're not cooperating with my request. Doesn't mean you're legally bound to, doesn't mean you're being a jerk, just means you're not cooperating with my request. It does mean that I then get to make a decision about where you go next. I don't know this guard's situation was he by himself? Armed/unarmed? As someone else mentioned he may have been threatened by the OP's demeanor. If it was Kwik I'm sure he was. I can't blame him for pretending everything was fine and calling PD for assistance. My department pretty much handles everything on our own, I call MPD to transport people we arrest, that's it. I have several other guys on my shifts, a lone guard doesn't have that luxury. Like I said, people don't like to be questioned, so it's always "The guard on a power trip", "the cop with the attitude", etc. I stop probably 5-10 people a night to see what they are doing. Most aren't doing anything illegal, they just are doing something that arouses suspicion. I'm always polite and professional. Make me feel comfortable that you aren't breaking into cars, trying to blow something up, etc and you're on your way with a "sorry for holding you up." Don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy...we'll take it from there.

I don't fully remember the Knoxville story, but I know all too well some security guys can be real *******s. I edited my post about what I believe on the nature of the guard and the police. See here's the issue, and someone else briefly mentioned it earlier. If you walk into where I work with a gun I spot, I'm going to stop you and ask you for a permit, if you show it to me we're going to work out a way to safely secure your weapon we're both happy with and you'll be on your way. If you don't, you'll be asked to leave. It's pretty simple. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but in this day and age people in slacks and polo shirts are shooting up churches, hospitals, and school board meetings and it's always a little nerve racking until you know you're dealing with a good guy. Too many people think just because they know their intentions that everyone else should and they shouldn't be bothered, unfortunately stepping outside and playing with others sometimes involves playing by another's rules.

Geez he makes the rounds doesn't he? Pennsylvania? Really???

I don't. There are alot of security people out there that are on power trips, I work with a few, but there are some guys that are just trying to do their job and protect their employer's interests. Alot of people just don't like being questioned by anyone, which is why you see the cop bashing threads here. Dude walked past a sign, was uncooperative with a security guard's request, and got the cops called. Plain and simple. Doesn't matter if he had to legally show a permit or not, it's the discretion of the property owner and his advocate as to who they let stay on his property. EDIT: Let me also add that given the character of the assumed person behind this story, I'm not buying the security guard and the police did anything outside of the scope of their duties.

Good.

Until I sold my Kahr no, but now yes. It keeps it simple and familiar.

Cool deal. I think it's a good thing you're doing. It's always good to keep the liability aspect in mind, but it seems you have thought it out. Here's hoping you never need your training!

Geez. Speaking of Robocop lol

The armed guard course is basically Unarmed 4 hours, HCP 8 hours, and an additional 4 hours to cover the Armed material. It's an OK course, but I would recommend taking it at Range USA and then taking their Level 1 course at the least. Basically no matter where you take the class, if it's to get licensed for something, it's going to cover the state basics. If you want to learn how to draw and fire, move and shoot, etc you need advanced training.

Out of respect for David I'll say this and let it go... The largest thing I've dealt with hands on was a gang related shooting where we got two victims and about 60-70 people show up trying to get back to the victims. Handled it with 2 other officers besides myself, made a few arrests, cleared the crowd, and everyone went home in one piece. Maybe I'm cocky, but I didn't think that was too shabby for a 26 year old security guard.

I don't think alot of people, including you, understand that your right to carry stops at others' right to property. Sounds to me like you were trying to be literal, and clever, chose not to identify yourself as a lawful permit holder and got your ass chapped when the cops showed up.

Well that's good to know. I am often told I'm the life of the party.

Mardi gras? No. New Orleans? Yes. Have been to and worked several large concert events though. Also worked with MPD, Shelby County, and Homeland Security in developing our own crowd control procedures for natural disasters and terrorist events for our hospital system. Not exactly an expert, but considering I've been part of coordinating terrorist and natural disaster response drills with Police, Fire, EMS, and the TN National guard I'd say I know a thing or two about working a crowd. I know several officers who went to New Orleans to help after Katrina and the stories I heard about the NOPD were pretty far from favorable, but that is second hand info. Things were pretty good last night and thanks for asking.