Glock30Owner

There also is not law that requires me to show my HCP to anyone other than a LEO.

They have that right, using either a sign posted and worded according to the law, or a security officer that asks a person to leave.

I'm sorry that you think that reading a sign that could have the weight of law behind it in a literal manner is wrong.

TCA 39-17-1531(n)(1) Except as provided in subdivision (n)(2), a permit issued pursuant to this section shall be good for four (4) years and shall entitle the permit holder to carry any handgun or handguns that the permit holder legally owns or possesses. The permit holder shall have the permit in the holder's immediate possession at all times when carrying a handgun and shall display the permit on demand of a law enforcement officer.

Why would I expect your statement to be disrespectful? Yes, I knew exactly what I was doing. I do my absolute best to know exactly what I'm doing everytime I carry a firearm, don't you? My actions demanded nothing more than either the guard to ask me to leave (I would have immediately complied) or leave me in peace. Why would you think they demanded more?

1. Even when the sign clearly states don't conceal? I open carry as a normal mode of carry. I have nothing to hide. If you prefer to conceal, that is your choice. For this place the only options were to OC or disarm, I won't do the latter. 2. No. I only show my HCP to law enforcement as the law demands. Anyone else can pound sand. If I'm asked to leave, I do. If you wish to show your permit to everyone who asks, that is your choice.

Yes, I did take note. I was illegally detaine by a police officer. I had my property stolen by this same corrupt police officer. The police officer left stolen property in a waiting room full of people when he left the building to talk to other corrupt police officers. When a complaint about corrupt police officers was filed, a corrupt depatment exonerates them. All this for following the explicit instructions of a security guard who was impersonating a police officer when entering a building carrying a firearm as they expressly stated it should be carried. I'll be sure to let you know when a corrupt TN court throws out my lawsuit.

Talk about lack of reading comprehension. I never stated that things were better anywhere. I just stated that TN's gun owners should get a bit of a backbone and stop cowering when some police-impersonator demands their papers. Then imagine my dismay when an apparent former police officer advocates aggravated assault on a law abiding citizen for nothing more than defending their rights (with others supporting this position). Is it the position of the majority of members of this board that rights are not to be defended? Or are they only to be defended when one recieves the approval from members of this board beforehand?

Thanks for reminding me that Tennessee's gun owners are for the most part cowardly. Maybe its time you learned a thing or two from Virginia's, Pennsylvania's, or even California's gun owners.

Still waiting on that unabridged "mikegideon's Only Acceptable ways to Protect Your Rights".

Ahh, I see what you did there. It appears that anyone who protects their rights in a way you feel is unacceptable should be compared to Voldemort. Please send me the unabridged list of when I may protect my rights in an acceptable way to you and when I cannot protect my rights in any way.

I'm sorry you think that. My rights (and yours) extend everywhere. I don't have a right to be on another's property without invitation or after asked to leave. Should any property owner not wish me to exersize a right on their property, all that needs to be done is to ask me to leave. This did not happen, infact I recieved an explicit invitation to stay (as opposed to the implicit one extended to the general public). You are correct, I was being literal. If you are not literal with the law, you tend to get in actual legal trouble. Allow me to elaqborate on the incident a bit more (I summerized before). I entered the clinic, open carrying as prescribed by the "No Concealed Deadly Weapons" sign. The guard as I was siting quietly in the waiting room asked if I had a carry permit. I stated I did. The guard then states, "You must show it to me!". I replied with, "Are you a police officer?". He stated, "Yes, I am." I then asked to see his department ID (as he was wearing a contract security uniform). He proceded to his vehicle and retrieved a document that he showed to me. It was an Armed Guard license issued by the state of TN. That is when I refused to show him any HCP. Once I stated that I refused to comply, I asked him if he wished me to leave the property. He stated, "No, you are free to wait in the lobby. You don't have to leave." Ten or so minutes later, the police arrive. Who never got a word out of me beyond I am exersizing my right to remain silent. I would think their asses were chapped (as you put it) when they found they could charge me with nothing and had to return my unattended firearm. I reloaded and left when my business was concluded at the clinic.

I'm sorry that I'm not the psychic you appear to be. Their sign only stated they did not wish concealed weapon inside their building. The security guard stated I could stay, and then called police. This is somethng you expect when you are invited to stay someplace? You then expect the police to detain you illegally when there is a report of a non-crime? I find it truely pathetic that you would roll over and abdicate your rights or suggest that others do the same.

The this is, there should never have been a confrontation. Once the guard stated I could stay, there was absolutely no need to call for police. Since the police (3 squad cars for a non-crime) were called, they should have told the guard that there was no crime. Now if you are implying that I should have voluntarilly given up my rights, I want to know when do you think it appropriate to protect your rights? Remember, once you give them up, you don't get them back.

Yep, I entered Matthew Walker Clinic to pick someone up. The entrance was posted as "No Concealed Deadly Weapons", so I open carried. The security guard confronted me and demanded my HCP, I told him no. I then asked if he wanted me to leave, he said no. Then he called the cops who proceded to violate my civil rights and leave my firearm unattended in a half full waiting room (near a person supposedly dangerous enough to be disarmed in the first place). I filed a complaint and MNPD blew the whole thing off... as usual.