Grayfox54

I don't understand why all the Glockphiles are getting so bent over the 10 round capacity. Ten rounds is pretty much the standard for .22 pistols. Anything more is unusual. I think they're just disappointed over the "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" and just looking for something to gripe about.

You can't fix stupid.

I'm not a Glockophile. So I wasn't expecting anything that would excite me. I wasn't disappointed.

I think, I'm going to lose my drivers license, and all just because of a stupid police officer... The conversation went like this, when I got pulled over in my car: Officer: "License and registration, please, I think you are drunk!" Me: "I assure you, I did not drink anything." Officer: "Ok, let's do a little test! Imagine driving in the dark on a highway at night, when you see two lights in the distance. What is it?" Me: "A car." Officer:"Of course! But which one? A Mercedes, an Audi or a Ford?" Me:"I have no idea!" Officer:"So, you're drunk." Me:"But I didn't drink anything." Officer:"Okay, one more test -- Imagine, you're driving in the dark on a highway at night, and there is one light coming at you. What is it? Me:"A motorcycle." Officer:"Of course! But which one? A Honda, a Kawasaki or a Harley?" Me:"I have no idea!" Officer:"As I suspected, you're drunk!" Then I started to get annoyed and asked a counter question. Me:"So..., counter question -- You're driving in the dark on a highway at night and see a woman on the roadside. She wears a mini skirt, fishnet stockings, high heeled shoes and only a bra as a top. What is this?" Officer:"A prostitute of course." Me:"Yes, but which one? Your daughter, your wife or your mother?" Things went downhill from there and now I have a court date to attend... .

With Glock's announcement of their new .22, it got me to thinking about understudy guns. Basically, that would be guns that look and feel like full size centerfire defensive guns, but in the much cheaper and easier to shoot .22 caliber. It simply makes for more trigger time with a gun that feels like what you carry. I'm a long time fan of this concept. I've said many times that my S&W Model 18 is the gun that taught me to properly shoot a DA revolver. Its my favorite revolver and goes to the range more than any other gun I own. My favorite carry revolvers are also S&W K-frames. Some years ago I picked up a Ciener Platinum Cup .22 conversion unit for the 1911 at a great price. I became so fond of it that I built up a bare frame to mount it on permanently. A year or so ago I bought a Walther PPK/S .22 and enjoy shooting it. Not too long ago I picked up a LNIB .22 conversion for my Sig P226. Honestly, I've gotten so that I shoot the .22 more than the 9mm. Anybody else have an understudy gun? How do you feel about the idea?

I think the 10 round capacity is another nod to the more restrictive states.

Ok, MacGyver's post made me see I was wrong. I edited my post while you were typing.

In California they can't sell guns with threaded barrels. I imagine that would put a big dent in sales. I'm sure the aftermarket will cover that in no time. Well I am surprised. For once Glock did something I agree with. I'm a big fan of .22 LR understudies for your carry guns. It lets you get in more trigger time at much less cost with a gun that looks and feels like what you carry. I seriously doubt it'll be a target quality gun, but should be a decent plinker. But I still won't buy one.

Glock Spock said: Generally speaking, it's the "seasoned" gun owners that I am more afraid of being around when they are handling firearms. Several years ago I was at the range. The way our range is set up is there's a shelf built along the back of the roofing posts about 10 ft or so behind the firing line. Its a good place to put things like gun cases, range bags, drinks or whatever you don't actually need on the firing line. One day I was there and there was this middle aged guy shooting. He had all his ammo on that rear shelf. He'd shoot, turn around and walk back, reload and turn around with the loaded gun and walk back to the firing line. No muzzle discipline at all. He was sweeping everybody. I very politely pointed this out to him. He responded by yelling very angrily "I know what I'm doing!" I just packed up and left. No point in trying to talk sense to an idiot.

Funny you should say that. Umarex is primarily an airgun manufacturer.

Honestly, I've never worked with either product. So I don't know what kind of residue they may leave behind. I doubt they'll do any damage to parts. Just dry it out real good. If possible, blow it out with compressed air. Then lube it well.

Valid point. Fake headline for sure. Its about name recognition and getting attention. Very few people have heard of American Outdoor Brands or even Thompson Center, but just about everybody knows Smith & Wesson. Its an outright lie now that AOB has split S&W off into a completely separate company.

Well it looks like a 10/22. Its made to use aftermarket 10/22 parts. I'd say Ruger probably has a case. OTOH, I've heard that patent law can be real tricky. I guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.

jhc77: what you need are some good quality gunsmithing hollow ground screwdrivers. Well worth the money. Never use standard screwdrivers on a gun. That's just asking to bugger up the screws.

Congratulations on a fine pistol! Back in the early days of CCW I carried its blue brother, 3914, for a couple of years. That's one I really regret selling. I think you're right. Probably just needs a really good cleaning and some use. Field strip it and take the grips off. Soak it if possible or otherwise hit it with a good spray cleaner in all the nooks and crannies. If you know how, detail strip it. Excellent idea on changing the recoil spring. If that grittiness doesn't go away, give it a little time, shoot it and see if it'll work out on its own. You might also try the old trick of just dry firing it a lot to work the parts in. I've known people who would just sit in front of the TV and sort of absent mindedly keep cycling the trigger for hours to smooth out a DA action. If that doesn't work, it may require a gunsmith's attention. But anyway, you've made an excellent choice. enjoy it.

On the 4473 it says the SSAN is optional. That's federal. Every dealer I've ever purchased from in Tennessee required it. And I do believe I've overheard NICS calls where the dealer read it off to them. Maybe its just a state thing. If your dealer doesn't require it, more power to ya. OP: I'm still curious. Which is your actual state of residence? Did you move to Tennessee permanently or do you maintain homes in both states?

Which state is your primary residence? That's where you have to buy the rifle. Also remember that you have to pass the NICS check and in TN you have to provide your social security number. If they check that number and it says NY address, you'll fail. There's a whole lotta paperwork involved in moving from one state to another. You need to get on that.

If your bank account was the same numbers as your Social Security number, how rich would you be? Believe it or not, I saw where somebody posted this on one of those social media sites and people actually answered. "Only two things are infinite. The universe and human stupidity. And I have my doubts about the former." Albert Einstein

I checked the Walther USA website and the pictures there clearing show the slide stamped "Made in Germany". Just curious, what difference does it make to you?

I don't blame you. Usually just the same old plastic pistols, ARs and useless taticool junk. But I do go to almost every one. 99% of the time all I might buy is a Dr. Pepper. But every once in a while you do run across a real gem that makes it all worth it. So I go expecting nothing, but hoping for the best. Besides, its a good way to kill a few hours on a Saturday.

S&W took a lot of heat because they tried to "improve" the PPK. It didn't work. No, S&W won't be making them again because they pissed Walther off. The S&W PPKs are the red headed step child of both companies. Neither will provide any info at all about them. You can't check serial numbers, production numbers, dates or anything else. The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson (AKA the S&W bible) has exactly two paragraphs about these guns that basically just admits that they did make them and nothing more. Walther simply says they have no records on them. They're actually excellent guns once you get that safety recall done. I have one of those too.

Technically they are. Umarex owns Walther. They're made to Walther's specs and sold by Walther under their own name. The internals are pretty much pure Walther PPK. Many parts will interchange. The frame is slightly different on the sides in regard to the shape of the mag well cut outs. If you want to change grips you have to get the ones specifically for this model. But have no doubt, this IS a Walther PPK/s. Moped, that trigger is terrible. But it will smooth out with use. The center fire PP series has a terrible DA trigger too. The thing is that most of us only fire the first shot DA and all the rest are SA. We also know not to dry fire a .22. So it may take quite a while for the trigger to get better. Umarex also makes the .22 Caliber 1911s that Colt sells under their name and make a highly rated .22 copy of the Beretta M9 as well. These are good guns.

These are actually made by Umarex. A well known and respected maker of airguns in Europe and Walther's current parent company. Its made of a material called Zamek. While it is a zinc alloy, it is NOT pot metal as the internet so often wants to claim. Its a much more refined alloy and plenty strong enough for .22 pistols. Umarex also makes several .22 caliber copies of centerfire pistols for other companies. I have one of these .22 PPK/s and its a fine little pistol. The DA trigger sucks, but it also sucks on the real PP pistols. It does smooth out a bit with use. Its also suppressor ready. A $20 thread adapter and you can screw your 1/2X28 can right on. These are fun little guns! Totally reliable and plinking accurate. Oddly enough mine really loves cheap Remington Thunderbolt ammo. I like mine!

Its all political. Shelby County (Memphis) is a liberal cesspool. Its about looking like you're doing something when you actually aren't. That's the Democrat way. And the doll shows, jewelry shows, bead shows, etc are promoting agriculture in such a big way. You're much more likely to find a gun on a farm than any of that junk.