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So, a lady friend of mine is interested in buying her first gun, doing the HCP class, ect... and is trusting me to guide her to this decision.  I've already decided she would probably work best with a striker fired 9mm.  Problem is, I haven't had to buy a pistol in 11 years since I love mine so much and am a bit out of date on what a local gun shop will allow.   Would bringing snap caps to an LGS be considered bad form?  I'd like her to practice loading, unloading, and to get a feel for the differences in trigger pull so she can know what she's dealing with before paying in the neighborhood of $500-$600 and walking out the door with it.

They don't need ideas...they just need to propose a vague, half heated idea, then sit back and watch the gun community eat it's own while ammo prices artificially inflate.   As has been said often here, "we're our own worst enemies sometimes."

  I've driven that exact same route since my fathers house is another 1.5 hours north of Harrisburg.   The part through Maryland goes by in about 20-25 minutes, and shouldn't be too bad traffic wise.  Not enough of a hassle to warrant a detour for me.

  The two that stick out in my class were a girl shooting a gun for the first time in her life with a small hammer-less revolver, and a guy that, no joke, got winded from the live firing.  You can imagine what those conditions will do to someones shot patterns.    My instructor was very adamant that his class was tailored to the requirements of instruction from TN Dept. of Safety and shouldn't be considered as the end of a new shooters training, just the beginning. 

With the way officers are bunched up in that type of situation, they present themselves as an area target instead of individual point targets.  Would make it easier for a longer shot to result in a hit if they did fire from as far away as 125yds.

I really don't think this is a big deal in the grand scheme.  Just posturing for the C-SPAN cameras as usual on the part of the politicians, and a pro forma story by the Washington Examiner to get page views, forwards, shares, ect...   This was a routine hearing on the FY 2016 Budgets for federal Law Enforcement Agencies, and the talk about the green tip ban was more or less dropped in Also, you need to read between the lines of what Director Jones said (taken from the transcript). "NOW, I DO BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO TAKE WORK ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT ATF ALONE IS GOING TO DO THROUGH A REGULATORY PROCESS."   So, you have a Senator from Connecticut, who is as pro gun control as it gets, asking a question during a hearing, and the ATF Director telling him in political speak that this isn't something the ATF can get away with on their own, they would need Congressional help.  You can watch the hearing here.  The Green Tip issues is addressed briefly at the 34:50 mark, and the bit from Sen. Murphy begins at 1:08:55 and has more depth.     On the plus side, from the prepared opening remarks, the ATF director had this to say in his opening statement about the budget request. In addition, ATF’s FY 2016 budget includes one program enhancement-$8.1 million to continue increasing capacity and reducing backlogs at ATF’s Martinsburg, WV, facility. This increase will allow ATF to add 10 Legal Instrument Examiners as well as additional contract support to continue to reduce the back log in processing National Firearms Act (NFA) registrations.

  With the way gun rights are on the up in the last few years, and still rising in nationwide sentiment, I would think someone who runs as a Republican would want to be on the winning side.  I'm sure he noticed how enthused a primary challenge Lamar got from Joe Carr. Covering the right flank is required for Tennessee Republicans now.   With the healthcare thing, he wanted federal money infused into the state.  But politicians don't run on failures, so unless he can swing it his way, he'll ignore that loss on his record.   As for his not taking a salary, like John F. Kennedy, I think it was meant to preempt any talk about how rich he is by avoiding money talk altogether.    Nothing in Haslam's actions as governor make me think he is running for a federal office.

  I dunno.  I get the feeling that Gov. Haslam is ready to go back to the private sector after his 2nd term.  His actions on the Medicare expansion, and his recent open opposition to gun bills are leading me to that conclusion.    Check out the chutzpa he's showing in this story.  Nobody Republican who has a Senate run in mind would stick himself out like that.

  Lamar just got re-elected, so his term runs until 2020.  It's Corker who's seat will be up in the 2018 election.    Unless a Republican wins in 2016 and gives Corker a cabinet appointment (SecState seems most appropriate with his chairing the Foreign Relations committee) he will probably run again.

  Sean Penn may be full of it, but with his track record with women (Madonna & Robin Wright in their prime, Charlize Theron & ScarJo in modern times) is legit. 

...and the bidding will start at $1.  :D

  This mean tomorrow would be a wash?

As many of us talk about, if we own guns or not is nobody's business, and I would imagine that there were a at least a few gun owners who refused to participate, thus skewing the sample.

  Same here.  I can separate a persons views from the entertainment they provide.  Liam Neeson has made some decent films, Schindler's List being tops among them.  I'm not automatically going to deny myself a good movie or TV show, because someone has an opinion I disagree with.

It's also worth considering that people in general have a hard enough time saying they made a mistake.  Now imagine the ego, ignorance, and legal reasons in such a trait getting applied to a federal agency.  For them to admit a mistake isn't anything they are interested in doing anytime soon.  They will just pretend it never happened, until they want to do it again.

  I wouldn't trust this guy if he said rain was wet based on tales like that.  Tell him you'd love to see the permit, or even check out the stamps in his passport.  I'd bet my remaining stock of green tip M855 that you don't get to see either. 

I've never impressed by the selection or prices of long guns at Walmart to begin with.  If this is going to be implemented nationwide, no big loss.

I wonder who will brag more about this...you to us, or your son to his friends.  :D   Now you can get him to do more chores for ammo!

For all we know, this guy was looking to get a fat lip as a way to litigate your paying for his next six months activities.

  Ehh, he could have waited until you left, or just asked you.  With ammo prices what they are these days, some people take their brass seriously.    Also, I'm instantly suspicious of people who volunteer that their veteran status in a confrontation.  Why not use just say friends, or buddies? 

Issues like this are why I try to do all my shooting in the middle of the week, when I have a good chance of being out there all on my lonesome.  If the range gets too crowded, or one of the aforementioned know it all's shows up.  I pack my gear and leave.   The dream would be to have enough land to run my own range like gregintn. 

Soft holsters are fine unless you are moving around so much you need extra retention.  I agree with others in the thread who say the error is on the owner of the holster & gun...if the picture is real to begin with.

For some reason, Hi-Point's remind me of the water pistols I had as a kid.  But, if they put rounds on target, have at it.

Good on you, mav, and all the rest of you guys who quit.   Wish I could get my father and stepmother to give up smoking.  The last time I visited them, their place smelled like smoke, and I could hear them coughing at random times throughout the day. 

This is a great place to chat about all those things you listed in your intro post.  I think you'll find the wealth of information here is top notch.   Welcome to TGO.