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In my opinion, the most logical reason to conceal in Tennessee is the dynamic landscape of when carrying is legally prohibited. Under the old sign law, there were multiple times that I saw a sign as I was leaving and not before. Even under the new laws, you good be legal in a park and then a school group shows up without your knowledge and changes that particular location into a prohibited place. I know you are supposed to be able to leave, but I don't trust the government and its enforcers to know and apply the law fairly. As far as I know, there are few cases of such things happening (that doesn't include criminals who were already committing other crimes), but I have no desire to be a test case for some DA that wants to make an example of someone.

The father is being charged: https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/massive-police-presence-apalachee-high-school-barrow-county/S3LVRPI5DRFPFIFP4O7WXE3VOE/

I just bought bullets, primers, and powder from my local store. I last bought primers in 2020 when people started getting crazy about toilet paper. Last bought powder some time before then. I was not prepared for the prices. I had to use my calculator to decide if reloading was really cheaper than their bulk ammo with a 10% off sale and an ammo can. It still is, barely, as long as I consider the labor my "free time."

This situation is ripe for review under Bruen. It wasn't that long ago that they just outright banned guns. The only reason it is allowed now is due to lawsuits they lost. It seems like under Bruen, there are no analogous historical laws justifying a literal permission slip from one Army guy in order to exercise a right on a piece of land. Although I think the founders would take a dim view of the standing army controlling huge areas of State land.

I had an Invisible Fence brand once, but it was 15 years ago. At the time, they touted their infinite level of adjustment that could be tailored to each dog. My dog only got shocked twice (once deliberately during training, and once on her own). I tested it myself. It wasn't a shock so much as my entire arm involuntary contracting at once. It didn't hurt like a strong static shock, but it was quite surprising. My dog vocalized like she was being briefly tortured, though. It was good solution for a house we didn't live in for long, but I like the security of a real fence to keep things out. Also, the dog had a pen for when we were away.

My wife and I had three each Pfizer vaccinations; 16-old son had two (we decided not to booster him when it was available), and 5-year old daughter had two also. So far, I am the only one who had confirmed Covid (in January). It was not as bad as influenza or a cold (usually I am miserable with just a cold). Throat was mildly sore for two days, but not as bad as with other illnesses, and I was just tired (but not due to a fever). However, the other three had cold-like symptoms in December with some having coughs worse than usual with a cold. The ones who were tested for Covid, tested negative, but we wonder if it was false negative in December since none of them got sick or tested positive after I stayed at home for 5 days. My daughter has been tested multiple times for influenza and Covid; nearly each time she was sick, which was more than anyone in our house. She was positive for influenza once. We are all also vaccinated for influenza yearly. Since some of us have asthma, and my daughter gets sicker than average with colds, I'd like to think the vaccinations lowered the severity of illness and possibly the degree of infectivity.

Not until May.

It burned down. I'm pretty sure they bulldozed what remained. There is still a Shooter' Depot in Ft. Oglethorpe, Georgia with a new owner.

The "Handgun Permit Types" page lists different things about each one, but the only difference seems to be open carrying and training requirements. For example, under the Concealed Carry Permit, it says, "May not carry at any school or university (public or private)" However, unless something has changed, you cannot do that with an Enhanced Permit either. The implication is that you could carry there with the Enhanced Permit (and the first draft of the bill that created the new permit meant for that to happen), but I don't recall Tennessee getting campus carry in any form. Likewise, under the Enhanced Permit, it lists, "The permit shall entitle the permittee to carry any handgun - which the permittee legally owns or possesses." It doesn't lists this under the Concealed Carry Permit, yet the law is essentially exactly the same in this regard for the two permits. It is confusing at best and misleading at worse (suggesting that the Enhanced Permit gives greater freedom of handgun choice than the the Concealed Permit. According to Cunningham's Law, if I am wrong, I will soon find out the right answer, but I don't see any substantial difference between the two types of permits other than open carry and the 8-hour training requirement. In fact, I would love to be wrong about the campus carry part, and if so, I would need to research how the reciprocity from Georgia is (i.e, which type of TN permit does my Georgia Weapons Carry License equate).

When I turned 16, that is exactly how the law was. Freedom is dangerous. I believe the old system worked for me and my brother--our dad voluntarily taught us how to drive and how to be safe. The law got changed because some kid killed himself in an accident. So his guilty parents persuaded the legislature to make sure every kid had driver education. The goal was lofty, but the result is a joke of a requirement that barely accomplishes it and burdens the poor. It is another example of nanny statism. For the record, I think that when a kid turns 16, the parents should have properly prepared their child with assistance from the State, not a mandate by the State.

I personally think it is unconscionable for any state, including Tennessee, to require any training for the ability to fulfill a God-given right. I think training is good, but the State should not require it. Rather, if training is so vitally important, then the State should offer on its own dime in the most convenient way possible. Instead, they put that burden on the individual. I and thousands of other Georgians obtained a Weapons Carry License without any government-mandated training. I could easily argue that the training imparted by parents, grandparents, and knowledgeable family friends is equal or superior to that offered by a Tennessee-approved HCP course. I believe in personal responsibility, and I think each individual should be able to decide how much training they need without government interference. Every additional hurdle added to the process of getting a permit disproportionally affects poor people; a person should not have to forgo basic protection because they can't afford to take off a Saturday and pay extra money to satisfy a training requirement. The Concealed Handgun Permit is a tiny step toward equalizing things for the lower income folks. This is not theoretical; I literally know people who would like to carry but do not have a permit due to the cost (both Georgia and Tennessee residents, and it is cheaper in Georgia). I'm not a trainer, but I could teach someone the basic function of a pistol, drill the four rules into their head, and make sure they understand the self-defense laws and prohibited places, and I would feel satisfied that they had the minimum they need. I would encourage them to practice and train as they saw fit. That is basically what I did with my wife. In fact, between our range sessions, discussions of the gun laws at the dinner table, and my political advocacy, I am sure we have surpassed 8 hours of equivalent training. However, if were Tennessee residents, that would not have been adequate until recently with the newer permit. I understand the utility of required training, but I scoff at the infringement on personal liberty, and I feel there are much better ways to achieve the same result. For the record, I feel the same way toward Georgia's mandated training for new drivers, also. I am not above compromise, if it is true compromise. If the Enhanced Permit, for example, conferred additional benefits (such as campus carry) beyond open carrying (and if I lived in Tennessee), then I might accept the training requirement not because I think the mandated-training is actually needed, but because of the necessity of a political compromise to achieve the lifting of restrictions from a basic freedom.

I know a few Tennesseans who have expressed interest in carrying but haven't gone any further. Most of these people would be served well enough by the "non-enhanced" Concealed Carry Handgun Permit due to lower cost and no desire to open carry. In my opinion, when reading the difference between the two types on the gov webpage, I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of new gun people would go the concealed only route. The webpage doesn't really have much of a sales pitch for the Enhanced Permit. Does anyone have recommendations or experience with any of the online courses, especially as to usefulness for new carriers? On the permit webpage, there is a list, but it would nice to narrow down the choices.

You don't have to worry about the vaccine altering your DNA because it doesn't. As opposed to the traditional method of weakening a virus and then introducing it into your body so that you mount an immune response to a specific protein found on the virus, the DNA and RNA vaccines introduce genetic sequences of the virus into your body. Certain cells then use that genetic material to produce the targeted protein, which then stimulates the the immune response. The cells do not mutate (i.e., change their own DNA). There are actually a host of reasons why DNA and RNA vaccinations are a lot safer than traditional vaccinations. In my practice, I vaccinate cats daily with a recombinant DNA rabies vaccination. The traditional killed-virus rabies vaccination has a 1 in 10,000 chance of stimulating tumors (presumably due to the additives needed to stimulate the immune system to respond to an inactivated virus). The "new" vaccine (which has been around for at least 20 years) is much less likely to have any side effects because the they can pare it down to the most essential components necessary to stimulate an immune response. It is also just as effective as the traditional vaccination. The same principles will translate to the coronavirus vaccination, and I am hopeful that one day they can make other coronavirus vaccinations for human colds and potentially FIP (a nearly 100% fatal disease in cats caused by a coronavirus). If the coronavirus vaccination was available to my family today, the only two things I would consider is efficacy and safety. If I looked at the numbers and saw that adverse reactions were no greater than any other vaccination, we would all four get the vaccination. Realistically, there will be hundreds of thousands of people around the world who will get it before my family can get it, so there will be even more safety data available by that time. I am an essential worker in Tennessee, but I live in Georgia, so I don't know how that will effect when I get vaccinated.

Based on the killer's name, he sounds like he might be yet another ambassador of the Religion of Peace. I may be wrong, but stereotypes can be a real time-saver.

In the case of the coyote killed by bare hands, they potentially could have tested it and waited for the results before starting treatment. Rabies takes weeks to months before you become clinical, and the testing usually takes less than a week. If the dead coyote's body got dragged off or the brain decayed, they would not be able to test for rabies, and the victims would need full post-exposure treatment.

Donald Trump, Jr. was recently pictured with a braced AR pistol at a range. The liberals are in a fit because of the magazine featuring Hillary behind bars and a crusader helmet on the receiver. I'm sure he was shooting that pistol as intended by the ATF.

I'll add my 2 cents. I have a full-size 9mm RIA 1911, and I bought a 10-Roung Mec-Gar magazine from the Rock Island booth at an NRA show. That particular magazine consistently caused jams. It was so consistent that I could reserve it for malfunction drills. I also had a Wilson Combat 10-Round magazine that repeatedly jammed, but another one (same company) that doesn't. The 9-round Metalform magazines have not had an issue. Mec-Gar sent me a replacement magazine, but I have not tested it yet.

I didn't get the replacement magazine until 2 weeks ago, after multiple calls to S&W (they said it was due to closing and moving a warehouse). I had no problems with the new magazine when I shot it. This week, they sent me a new spring with no notice. The new spring is significantly longer than the original spring. The replacement magazine has the same size spring as the original, but it feels stiffer. The new spring is definitely stiffer. I'm going to try it in the original magazine this week. Since my first post in this thread, I have found other reports of stovepipes that were suspected to be due to the spring. The general thought is that because they made the magazine so easy to load, the spring might not have enough omph for the last round. Also, I have been consistently shooting to the left, even with the rear sights drifted to the farthest extent. I know that usually that is shooter error for a right-hand shooter, but I was having tight groups consistently the left of the target. Also, could shoot my LC9, with its long trigger pull, more accurately immediately after shooting the Shield. I found one report on a message board about the front sight wiggling. When I checked the gun, I could definitely move the sight slightly because it has a locking pin on the inside of the slide that allowed movement. I fixed it with Locktite tonight and I'll see if I shoot better.

St. Elmo has been revitalized, which means at one point, it was devitalized. Most of the area is OK, but it is within walking distance of not OK areas.

Thanks for all the responses; I anticipated what the general opinion would be (because I agree that getting a permit/license would be easiest). I have actually considered broaching the idea of paying for permits and license as a an employee benefit, I'm not quite sure how that would go over both from a financial point and from a social point. With the new concealed only, non-enhanced TN permit next year, there will be closer parity between the minimum that Georgia residents pay compared to TN residents. As for how LEO might respond to private property carry, please consider this hypothetical scenario: Suppose Best Buy has no policy prohibiting employees from carrying at work, but those same employees are required to park at the far end of the parking lot. Assume most Best Buy stores are leaseholds, and they share common parking in a shopping center with many other stores. In other words, there is no designated "Best Buy" parking. An employee without a permit legally keeps a gun in her glove box. When she gets to work, she transfers the gun to her purse, walks the length of the parking lot, and then enters the store. We agree that she is legal in her car and in the store; is she legal in the parking lot? Any former LEO have to answer a "man with a gun" call in such a situation? I could foresee the rare case where another person sees the transfer of the gun from glove box to purse and might be concerned. Once again this situation would be moot with a permit, but that is not happening for some in the near future. Also, it is usually pretty clear who works at Best Buy based on the uniform. On weekends, when our hospital is closed, the assistants are wearing normal clothes when they come to the hospital for after hour shifts. Other than seeing that they possess a key or calling someone else who works there, I'm not sure how a LEO could positively identify one of our employees as legit on the weekend. In the past, when an employee had interactions with the local PD after hours, as far as I know there was not problems (i.e., thinking the employee was a burglar or such).

If I were the owner of the business, I would make getting a permit or license a company benefit, but I am not the owner. Several are Georgia residents, and I have repeatedly pointed out how to get a Georgia Weapons Carry License, but very few have taken those steps. As for phone notification, the owner carries a flip phone, and (like me) keeps it off when he is at home. Back to the original question, has anyone dealt with "place of business" carry? It is obviously codified in the TN law, but are LEOs well versed in that particular exception to the general prohibition against carrying?

The dogs are walked in an area enclosed by a tall chainlink fence; the camera monitored the area. The fence is locked, but obviously that will not stop certain types of problems. It is the only area to walk dogs, other than outside the fence. The local PD does drive around the back of the building (where the dog walk area is), but I know they won't be patrolling it constantly.

First, I am going to apologize that I have not been able to find the information that I need, but I have tried. Specifically, I am trying to clarify when and where a person can carry a gun in Tennessee without any permit. This does not apply to me. My office recently had someone steal the camera watching the back area, and the employees (most of who are women) are disturbed. The person knew how to stay out of view, and used a rabies catch pole (not from our hospital) to snare the camera. Veterinary hospitals have three things that criminals of various flavors want--money, drugs, and women. This particular area that the camera covered is where the staff would walk dogs, and on the weekends, they would be alone. The hospital is in a leasehold in a shopping center. The parking lot is shared by various businesses. Parking spots that they may use range from right outside the door to the other end of the shopping center. There are no current prohibitions against gun inside the business. According to 39-17-1308, they would not need a permit to have a gun in the car. They may also carry at their "place of business" and "premises" besides their residences. I thought I had read a thread on this site addressing this issue, but I could not find it. It is my understanding that "place of business" means where a person works (as opposed to owning the business). The problem is the parking lot. It is definitely not owned by the business (the veterinary hospital), but I think a reasonable person might consider it part of the business. Those without permits (which is most of them) who wish to carry a gun inside would have to cross the parking lot. I'm not sure how a LEO would see it, and I think the further away the parking is from the building, the less it seems like it is part of one entity known as "the place of business." Does anyone want to share an opinion? The easiest solution would be to get permits (or licenses in the case of the Georgia residents), but I know money is an extreme restriction for many of them. One lady, for example, only has a pistol because her father left her the gun when he died. Also, can anyone refresh me on if there are any knife restrictions in Tennessee? Thanks.

All right, trying the broken link again: http://psychology.usf.edu/faculty/data/ddiamond/Research_on_Why_Parents_Forget_Children_in_Hot_Cars.pdf This article might have a more succinct version of the same researcher's findings: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/anyone-could-forget-kids-in-hot-car-forgotten-baby-syndrome/ From the BMJ article previously cited: So more people unintentionally left their kids in hot cars than those that intentionally did so. I think it is safe to assume that the people who killed their kids while they went to play video poker or smoke meth fall in the "intentional" category, and a large number of the "unintentionally forgotten" children were by probably stable people. The fact that they normally took the kids to daycare and had jobs suggests at least some stability. Also, if you browse the various news interviews of people who killed their kids this way, they generally seem like normal people. My point is, we can't just say "Don't leave your kids in the car, stupid!" That's like telling someone with depression to stop being sad. First we must understand the epidemiology, and then formulate solutions. I wonder about details such as did these parents use one of those mirrors that lets you see the child in the carseat? I rarely take our daughter anywhere in my car, but when I do, I can always see her due that type of mirror. Other things that might seem like minutia but could be important for preventing the problem--are the rear windows tinted? which way does the car face when parked at work? are kids in third row seats more likely to be unnoticed? I see it similar to the four rules of gun safety--I don't intend to ever need them, yet I practice them always, and I'm sure some of those people who shot themselves with "unloaded" guns wish they had done the same. This page might interest some of you: https://www.kars4kids.org/safety-app/itcanhappen/survey.php

https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/11/1/33 http://psychology.usf.edu/faculty/data/ddiamond/Research_on_Why_Parents_Forget_Children_in_Hot_Cars.pdf Edited to try to fix the broken link.