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I agree with most of this but it doesn't take all 12 people for it to fail. if even 1 juror says not guilty that hangs the jury but I don't think they could find 12 people that would find a person guilty of an unconstitutional law the state is trying to enforce...............jmho

  UPDATE:::  After they went out West to the plant there it never went union and never were automated and robots never replaced humans. Mr. L said it was hard for him to do what he did in Tennessee but he allowed the people to make a choice and he didn't question their decision but did question their motives because he gave them an across the board raise each year and benefits he could afford to give. The only thing he didn't give was Health Insurance and he thought that was strange that the Union never requested it either. I spoke with a guy last night that not only was one of the last ones to leave his employ here but Mr. L moved him and his family out west and he worked for him in the plant out there till his retirement and then he and his family moved back home to their roots in Tennessee. Mr. L       Passed away in 2003 and his son took over and from all indications nothing changed in company operation until 2008 when it went automated and robotic and as it did when a person lost their position they got a large severance check to help them get by until the could find work or retire and the company that bought the Tennessee location also bought the one out west. I guess you could say happy ending for all. I know  this for a fact. Mr. L  was a great man and a great person to work for and a very caring individual right up till the day he passed. He bought me my first pair of steel toed shoes back when I was 17......... :up: :up:

. :panic: :panic: :panic: ...............I was ready for this Spring in the middle of last October.................... :hyper: :hyper:

Back when I was just a kid I worked for a company after high school each day for a full shift and it was a family owned company. Right after I went to work there I learned there was a steel workers Union trying to get their foot in the door. They had been trying for about two years and had not made it yet. I had a guy that worked there ask my how I felt about the plant going union and I said I think it would suck and he walked away. When I got out of school I kept the job and I saw the man that owned that company help out a lot of people that fell on hard times. sickness, deaths in a family, even if the guys kids just needed shoes and clothes to begin school with he made sure they had the money. Every 4th of July he would pay to have an amusement Park come and set up for the entire weekend and it was all free. Even the food. Every Thanks giving every employee got a huge basket of food and a Turkey. At Christmas every employee got another basket full of food and a ham was in the basket. I mean this guy didn't have 10 or 15 employees. They ran 2 shifts and each shift has about 200 people working or more on it. Everyone got a 1 week paid vacation the first year and after 5 years you got 2 weeks paid. Paid time and a half for overtime. I mean the guy ran a great company. I was getting ready to enter the military so I had left the job but he told me when I returned I would have a job. Well I had made a few friends while there and we wrote back and forth and I learned that about a year later after I left all at once there was a walk out and people wanted to vote in a Union. And they did and that was in May of 1968 and the employees got a 2 year contract with the union and an across the board 80 cents an hour raise. And Union Dues which consumed about all of that 80 Cents raise they got which quite a few there was husbands and wives both working there paying double dues. The owner didn't say one word about them and their union. Even gave the guy from the union an office all of his own. About a week later a guy got hurt while at home and couldn't come to work and had a large family. When he was able to get up and out with the cast on his leg he came to the owner and asked him about a loan. All the owner did was tell the man to go ask your union man for a loan and pointed to his office. Needless to say the man didn't get no loan. Come 4th of July they didn't get an amusement park all free either which had been going on for about 20 years. Thanks giving came and went along with Christmas and there was no food baskets. You see unions don't give those or loans or amusement parks. All they do is collective bargaining for your contracts on raises and benefits and take money from you for dues. During the first year of the contract the owner because turning a lot of jobs into automated positions and began putting in robotic lines to do the work the humans were doing and the robots didn't have a union so he could work them 24/7 with out paying overtime. By the time the 2 year contract was up the plant was about 70% automated. Union guys office was empty. He had moved on about 5 months earlier. When the contract was up the union was gone but they got paid right up until the last day of that contract and dues were taken out for exactly 24 months but the Union was gone because the number of employees had dropped to make it not profitable for them to be their. The union could not force him to keep people employed when that persons position was taken by a robot. Once the plant went almost completely robotic the Owner and his family sold it, moved out west where they had another plant operated by people. Never heard any more about them after that but I did learn a lot about Unions and I wasn't even there. Got a lot of letters keeping me updated..................................jmho

:panic: :panic: FIRE FIRE!!    Is that a Hybrid Volt?  The Volts have been catching fire driving down the highways recently. The batteries are overheating and catching on fire...... :shrug: :shrug:

I use 71/2 also and I shot a Belgium Browning O/U 30 inch double modified barrels with select safety and I had high Brass 71/2 in lower barrel for those high flyers  and I could normally knock down a few with a little more reach with bottom barrel. Yep on with the clay birds but your heads on about the darting and weaving abilities Doves have and after a few days of shooting they seem to get better at it................ :rofl:  :rofl: 

  LOL........One thing every newby learns real fast is it ain't like trap and skeet. The doves by the 4 or 5th day have been shot at so many times if they are still flying they have learned to come in low and fast. I have seen birds come in slow low and so fast that no one could shoot because of hunters on the opposite side of the field being in the same line of fire as you are and the shooters that even had a chance to shoot was last two on the end of the field and they seldom got a bird going away. I use to have a farmer that grew 5 acres of Mullet right in the middle of a big corm field and the birds would come in over the corn tops making them easy shots but by mid season when he took the corn down except for just a row of two around the mullet for us to stand in it made for some very interesting shooting but a lot of fun and really challenging.............lol

I can agree with most of what you said on how you get them Dixie but you made it sound a lot easier than it is. You left out the part about after the birds have been shot at a few times their approach to the fields change some and when they come into the field with a good tail wind they are moving a lot faster then any trap or skeet bird does by about 15 to 20mph and you better lead the bird a little farther...........lol. Grew up hunting them and love them any way they can be cooked. And I have seen many a bird fly wide open with tail wind and go full length of a 3 acre field with 10 shooters and out the other side with all it's feathers intact and I'm talking about some really good shooters fired shot at the birds. One thing is for sure, on a good day in a good field you can really have some fun and really get so great food. I have not been able to go in a few years now because of my shoulders and can't swing fast enough any more.but last time I did go about 3 years ago I did manage to bag 11 but shoulders punished me about it for a couple weeks..................jmho   

Baby wipes. buy in bulk at Sam's Wholesale. They work great in Afghanistan. Fit in back pack great, moist for good cleaning and for bathing in the field so why not as toilet paper. Just make sure you get the unscented brands. You don't want the bad guys to be able to sniff you out..............jmho

Prayers sent for you situation to improve soon.................... :up:

I agree  that is was good that the officer got one of the bad guys and a shame he didn't get more but I don't think the bad guy was murdered by the police officer as mentioned above but I do think there is charges that can be brought against the other two for the death of their friend but don't think it is a murder charge but I could very well be wrong. I hope they catch the other two very fast.....................jmho

I grew up in the North were the Unions thrived back in the 50's and 60's. The UAW, The USS Worker unions, The Teamsters, The Dock Workers and so on and so forth. When the EPA was created and they set upon their first target the Auto Industry why didn't the unions step up and say Whoa, Hold on just a second and lets rethink your plans here. Instead they sat back and did nothing except continue to collect their Union Dues. When the EPA turned their attention to the Steel mills after destroying the auto maker companies that began putting demands on the Steel Mills that they knew would be impossible goals and the almighty Iron and Steel Workers unions stood stood idly by and never say whoa wait just a minute and lest look at these so called new rules and regulations and see if we can't work something out. Nope they sat there on their hands with their mouths shut and did exactly nothing to help all those Iron and Steel workers save their jobs. The Teamsters Union is another joke that did nothing to help their members when things began to go down the tubes. But they still expected to collect their union dues just like the UAW did and the Steel Workers unions did right up to the bitter end when the jobs were going to China. I guess people have given up looking for Jimmy Hoffa Sr. by now but Jr. is walking right in his foot steps. There was videos back last year during that Teachers Strike in Wisconsin when they recalled the newly elected Governor for a new vote when he had to make some tough decisions about the over whelming money the state was paying to their teachers and it was because of the Teachers union demands and he refused to meet the demands and raise taxes and in the videos it showed thugs beating people and knocking people down and kicking them because they were against the union demands.  The union got their recall vote and the Governor elect got re-elected by even a larger margin than he did in the first election. The Union didn't get the demands and the teachers went back to work with a cut in benefits the union was demanding.  Someone mentioned in an earlier post that people have smartened up to Unions. Yes they have and the days of the Strong Arm Threatening Union organizers are pretty much over. I think a great many people saw that last year in Wisconsin....................jmho

Well as scripted as they may be I still enjoy Deadliest Catch and Gold Miners and Alaska , the last Frontier and Yukon Men and a few others. I know they are scripted but they are still a lot better than watching to 87th rerun of Iron Man or 105th re run of Transformers and most other movies they are showing now over and over and over again..............jmho  

If I find an venomous snake in my yard it will be visiting its ancestors in a short period of time and it will be my word against the dead snake as whether my life, life of family or pets was threatened or not and I don't think the snake will be talking......................jmho

I think the Governor and other elected officials were all acting in behalf of the employees and the VW Corporation as a whole since our state did make concessions on behalf of the state and the people of the great state of Tennessee to bring the company here and I just don't really think they should just stand back and allow some thugs and bullies from up north come down here and try and intimidate people into joining a union and taking money away from the employees and also demanding that VW make changes in their policies. That is what they did in Detroit and they did it so much that they bankrupt the Automakers up there. We don't need that kind of trash in Tennessee causing trouble........................jmho

    Remington is moving to Alabama so we cannot submerge it!!!!!!..............jmho

  Exactly!!!!!!!! :up: :up: :up:

Sure glad I am not a VW employee down there right now cause if a bunch of thugs showed up on my front lawn with megaphones screaming at me it would get really ugly really quick and I would settle it redneck style with a Biden 12 gauge and rock salt. I have seen how those thugs work when I was young and growing up and they think they are above the law. If they are on my front lawn I am the law. I have a feeling either way these guys are going home without a union in VW.   They need to learn that folks in the south  don't push as easy as folks in the North do. You pick a fight with one person down here and you have pretty much picked a fight with the entire town. People up north close their windows and try to ignore these clowns and their high pressure tactics. People down here join forces and stand up with their neighbors..................jmho

Thanks for tat information MM, cause I think his son does have plans to restore a little along as he can afford the parts for it. Casey is not really into the firearms scene much. Like his Dad, he also does have CCW and spend a fair amount of time at the range keeping in tune with his carry weapon but wanted to take on the challenge of restoring that old rifle. Casey is pretty talented so I think he will do a good job with it. again thanks for the info.

Well if he is a good guy then I hope he is not shot but he does need  a little training on not putting the gun barrels nose down in the dirt..............jmho

Yep. the only one that is not wearing any is what looks like and older SKS or AK. Can't really tell what it is but I'm sure a lot of folks here probably can...........jmho

Hope so cause sure will make him a lot easier to see just before his hears incoming expendable projectiles in his direction..........jmho

Class act for sure. Glad the Americans won again but you can bet Putin ain't a happy camper over it............jmho the whole Russian team will probably be sent to Siberia to practice their hockey skills for the next Olympics............jmho

Wonder why he has a yellow caution tape wrapped around the barrel of it and more laying on his lap? Also why in the hell would anyone place their gun barrel down in the dirt??????  

It's not what you see but what you don't see that counts. For every box you do see on a shelf there are 10 boxes hidden in the back for the scalpers that are paying off the people working in the sporting goods departments in the big box stores that you don't see. The stores are getting the ammo. It's just not getting onto the retail shelves for the general public to purchase...................jmho