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I need to go through my ammo safes today just to see what I have and don't have. Only thing I have been shooting is 380's and know what that inventory is because I have 1 safe dedicated strictly to it. Need to go through others I guess. I have not bought any 22lr since I got some from David about what, three months ago or longer?

I have no doubt about what my decision would be in most any scenario in my home. If a stranger or two are in my home there is no thought beyond if I get a shot and I am sure of my target I'm taking it. We will discuss my decision later after the smoke clears..........jmho

Great story and ya just gotta love dogs. They are always there for you and it is a guaranteed love. If you show them love I can promise you, you will receive love in return every time...............jmho

Well, I don't think it would be videoed or recorded or premeditated in this case. It was just straight up home invasion but Ex son in law did not do the right thing by going up stairs. Should have waited for the good guys to arrive and do that. Had he done that all but maybe the van driver would have been caught............jmho

My decision would have been to dial 911 and got them coming and then taken up position where I could have stopped 1 or more at bottom of stairway from 3rd level if they attempted to leave before police arrived. If necessary I would have made it clear to them all, face down on the floor or get shot. If any of them refused I would have made an example of him with a bullet to the knee cap..............jmho

Thank you for all of the fine replies. I should have made the house and persons in the house more clear. The reason I went through this scenario questions is because my daughters ex husband and father of his children and his wife went through this exact situation 3 nights ago about 9PM. They do live alone, just him and his new wife so no other family in house. He and wife both have HCP's and went through several other defense type classes.But still evidently didn't learn enough. They don't have much in the way of security beyond dead bolts and door locks and do like in an up scale neighborhood.His home is laid out like in scenario. He didn't handle any of it right beyond calling 911 right after retrieving his gun from the table in case he did need to defend himself. I am assuming that the perps had no clue they were even home. Both vehicles were in the garage with door closed. The basement area is almost totally sound proof from the rest of the house if door going down stairs is closed which it was. When he went up stairs to fetch them something to drink while watching a movie he heard a nose up stairs on 3rd level and this is where the stupidity kicked in. He retrieved his gun from the drawer dialed 911 and told the police his address and that he has an intruder in their home. He was told to find a secure location for him and his family and that patrol cars were in route. He made the decision to go up stairs and see who was up there with gun in hand. The way the 3rd level is laid out you can see into two rooms from top of stairs but not 3rd room or bathroom. he saw a young man going through the drawers search for valuables. His back was to the door and Ex did have a clear shot at intruders back and could have propped him but before he was able to do anything the lights went out for him. A second intruder eased up from behind and hit him in the back of the head with a trophy from one of the other rooms and down he went. His wife heard sirens and got up to go upstairs wondering where he was and she got knocked down by three perps at the bottom of the stair way as they were making their escape. They were all three of a Latino or Spanish descent. They ran from the home and climbed into a van with a forth person behind the wheel and made the great escape. The police arrived about 3 minutes later and called for any ambulance for the EX as he was still about half unconscious and was bleeding pretty bad from a large gash to the back of his head which required about 9 stitches. An alert neighbor that had been out walking his dog noticed the van and knew it was out of place in that neighborhood and had already gotten the license tag number and saw the guy behind the wheel when the other 3 came running and jumped in it and left. He was able to give a description of the driver and what the clothing was that the 3 running to the van were wearing. Van tag was from Kentucky.   I was caught back by what the lead investigator told my ex son in law should have done. He said my ex son in law could have legally shot the intruder in the back because of the location. Third floor which leaves no avenue of retreat by the perp except back past him putting his life in danger. He also said by shooting the first one it would have sent the other two into a retreat mode knowing there was an armed homeowner and he was shooting the intruders. I think the investigator gave him some bad information but that is what he told Ex and his wife. He said if there is an intruder in the home with no avenue of escape other than coming towards you, at that point your life is in danger and you can legally defend yourself and that al taking place on 3rd floor he could have popped the perp in the back. As of now I have not heard whether they have caught the bad guys or not. Thanks to all of you for your replies. He is looking at alarm systems with door tones that sound every time a door is opened in the house.   

If you will note , he didn't just order 1 pallet. He ordered 7 pallets at 1400 pound each. Has to be lead or lead mix like a babbit product for making Boolitts...........jmho

i learned to sign when my son was alive because he could not speak after his accident but he could sign and if someone starts to say something to me I will acknowledge they are their and I sign with question and they just walk away most times. I have only ran into one person that signed back with a reply to my question and had short conversation with people staring at us like were sprouted two head each........ :rock: :rock:

That is why I quit fishing Center Hill Lake unless I can launch at Hurricane Marina. Those folks there are great and they watch your vehicles for you. The only other place I might launch is Sligo boat ramp up in the river near the marina. Sorry you got hit buddy and sorry they took your GPS with the addresses for sure......Hope you get a chance to ............. :bat: :bat:

You might check with the company All My Sons Moving Company. They have a ware house to store things in and they have forklifts to load and unload trucks and think they may even have a dock to off load.     http://www.allmysons.com/nashville/index.aspx

Sounds to me like some one may have a load of lead coming in................... :shrug: :shrug:

Let see some thoughts on these scenarios.    #1)    You live in a 3 story house including a finished basement den / recreation area. You and your wife are down in the rec room watching your big screen. You decide to go up to the kitchen and get both of you a soft drink. As you reach the top step from the basement you think you hear something or someone on the third floor were all the sleeping bedrooms totaling 3 are located. You quietly close door to basement You know your wife also access to a fire arm in rec room.  You locate your pistol kept in a table drawer at top of stairs from the basement and you go up to third floor were you discover a intruder is going through your dresser drawers. You have a clear shot at his back. In order to shoot him you have to decide if you can legally shoot him in the back on a third floor level. There is no escape route except past you. Do you shoot him in the back or do you confront the intruder by telling him if he moves you will shoot him and hope he gives up. If he does not and turns to face you but you do not see a weapon, do you feel your life or your wife that is still in the basement life is in danger and then do you shoot? Second Scenario #2))Same as above but you have heard a noise on third level and you have your gun. Do you make your way up stairs expecting to find someone in your home? If so have you given thought to the fact there may be more than one intruder? If so do call 911 and wait at the second level base of stairway to third floor out of sight until back up arrives or do you make the decision to go up and confront the intruder/intruders knowing the police are in route?

My Son in law and daughter are going to attend the HCP class the end of the month and we are going to be doing some range time. My Son-in-law has a grasp of what I have been trying to bestow on them before they go for the class and that is surroundings and awareness of them. My Daughter has a lot of her mother in her and it took me a long time to get it through my wifes head of being aware of what is taking place around you at all times. She is beginning to show signs of what I am trying to get in her head but still needs work. I should have her a lot closer by class time.

  :panic:      I am not sure where to put this because it is both political and gun related?  If I put it in the wrong place please excuse my ignorance and move it where it belongs please. I looked at putting it in the hive but that says non firearm related topics and this one is firearm related I think..... :shrug:     http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-takes-nra-161500267--politics.html

My first dogs name was Pal also and I was about 7 years old but he was a Springer Spaniel that someone drove out of Chicago and just drooped off on the country road we lived on and he came to our house all fun of cukaburs and his hair was all matted in them. Took me better part of the day to get the all out with out cutting his beautiful hair. Actually I became like a magnet to all the strays folks from the city dumped. About ever couple months my Dad and I would take them to the Animal Shelter in Chicago to get them adopted out to good homes. He told me to not get attached to any of them which is not easy for a kid to do with a dog. Pal never went and I had another very unusual terrier type dog that I got to keep but the rest went. The unusual dog was definitely a Terrier of some type and about the size of a cocker but had short hair that fit tight against his skin, ears that stood up like a Dobermans and he could be flat pawed and jump vertically into my Dads arms. He was a very Brittle colored dog with a rust brown, black and a few white spots but not many and he would follow me on my bike all day never getting out of Site. He was very smart and so was Pal but Pal was kinda laid back and Bearcat, Yea I know, strange name for a dog but was a strange dog was always very hyper. My first trip to the Humane Society was an adventure. I could not believe all the different type of animals they had. All kinds of talking birds, Cats, Dogs, Ferrets, Geese, Ducks and the biggest surprise was an alligator that was about 6 feet long that when they got it it was about 3 feet long. This shelter never put any animals down but kept them till they either got adopted or died of natural causes. The Brookfield Zoo ended up taking the gator finally. Oh yea they took the Python too that was about 10 feet long.......... :up: :up:

Wish you luck on this cause I know it has to be very aggravating for you and for who ever they call. You you do by any chase get a meeting with one of their representatives make sure you make it a memorable one for them before you call the Leos to cart off whats left....... :up:  :up: 

Well, considering that when it comes to authority in the law enforcement the Sheriff of any county is the highest ranking LEO. If something bad takes place in his county and TBI and State Troopers are called in the Sheriff is still in charge and can designate authority but they are the boss for some reason gives some of the I'M ABOVE THE LAW attitude. Sure glad when Kasey had her one and only batch of puppy's I gave thought about taking the to Sumner County Humane Society but instead posted them on fishing sites and gun sites I am a member of and had great homes for all 4 of her puppies in two days and folks send me pictures often of them........... :up:  :up:    

Yea, just remember last time I heard of anyone going shooting with a politician was Cheney and he shot the guy with him....... :popcorn:

So I'm guess that yes is to all of the above huh?......Not going to pick or poke at you for this because i know many people that are scare to death of them and rightfully so. Even though very very few people get bit by venomous snakes and even fewer that do die I  think almost every one in the back of their minds remembers that it was a snake that made the land of Eden go bye bye by talking Eve into eating from the tree and the Eve convinced Adam and we all know the rest of the story. With that said I respect snakes that are venomous with a bullet of two and the non venomous ones I do cut some slack because for the most part to do things that help man such and kill Rodents and also keep us in our running mode if startled by one which keeps you in practice for the dangerous ones. I use to know a man that was so afraid of them that a friend of his is dead, killed by him over a joke of throwing a rubber snake in his lap and he shot him dead on the spot before he even took time to see it was a fake one. The Judge and Jury found him innocent of all charges because everyone knew about his fear of snakes. He never forgave himself for killing his friend and he passed away about 10 years later. So I know the fear folks can have about them.

Are you saying that you just don't like snakes or have a lot of respect for them and they might make you hurt your self giving them room....................... :rofl: :rofl:

nothing wrong with the old fashion way of settling things. did it a lot back as kids. Thing today is most kids up that way are packing heat and shoot first and then run like hell.  Truth be known we packed heat to back then but never used it. Didn't have to because if folks knew you had one they didn't mess with you much and even then more was settled with fists the bullets and everyone went home alive and just feelings bruised win or lose.

If your talking about Casali I would be willing to bet you I can pronounce it because I went to high school in west Chicago till age 16 and had three brothers in school with same name as yours and we hung around together. Most of upper west side of Chicago use to be all  Italian and man could you get some great pizza pies up there. Folks down here that have never been up north and had true Pizza's are not even aware that Pizza's are really baked in pans and are not flat like most places are. They were call "au pizza pies" in true Italian restaurants............. :cheers: :cheers:    If anyone ever gets up to Chicago and lives through it make sure you go to the Home Run Pizza Parlor located on the back side of Wrigley Field. Been in business since 1934 and same family still, just s few generations later I promise you it will be a meal you will remember for years to come.

Well, Love potato salad also and it also requires mayo but I also do add Mustard to it. I grew up eating the Mustard style because my father was of German descent and my mother always catered to his food likes when ever possible. I can eat either but when you take the Mustard out it does make it a little bland ad that is when the salt and pepper comes into action..... Just my :2cents: 

I was thinking maybe a Spreading Adder................... :whistle:

Maybe it would be nice if you shared G G Grandfathers recipe with us and we won't need Mayo............. :drool: :drool: