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I just saw the Kimber for the first time online yesterday. It looks strikingly similar to the S & W 640 but holds an extra round. Will I buy it? Of course not. I like the idea of a small frame six round snub nose but that price tag is out of control as compared to an LCR, SP101, or an S & W j-frame. I am excited that another quality manufacturer is making revolvers though.   

How has your experience been with the.17hmr? Do you think the Hunter model is worth it or do you think plain jane stock fixed sights on a Single Six are good enough? Also, what kind of distances are you getting out to with the scope? 

  Have you put any or enough trigger time on the Ruger .17hmr Hunter to provide an opinion on the revolver? I've been eyeing Single Sixes in .17hmr as a Christmas gift for my Dad (in hopes I'll get it back someday, hopefully later than sooner) but have also considered the Hunter. There's literally one on Gunbroker every couple of weeks and I've never seen one in person. It's like a unicorn. I imagine recoil is next to none given the weight but am curious whether you feel going the .17hmr route is worth it vs. getting a .22lr/.22mag. But the old man is obsessed with .17hmr because of the long term velocity.    Also, have you scoped it? If so, what range of distance is the revolver capable of accurately shooting with and without the scope for an average shooter?   

I've been thinking about getting a Glock long slide in .40 S&W as my next purchase. It will primarily be used as a range toy (with a 40-9 lone wolf conversion barrel) and may replace my current nightstand/SHTF gun. I may even get a .357 sig barrel for it too. I don't shoot competition so size isn't an issue,    I have some experience with the Gen 3 35's but none with the 24. The 35's are readily found anywhere and the 24's seem like they are becoming easier to come by. I've read a bunch of the internet stuff but would like a TGO opinion on whether the hassle of hunting down a 24 and paying extra for it is worth it. Let the opinions begin...     

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I went back to Glock. My ownership experience is limited to a CZ 75BD Police and .40 S&W Glocks. However, I've shot a friends CZ 75 Pre-B and plenty of 9MM Glock pistols...my observations, some objective and some subjective are as follows:    I shot the CZ's better in SA than I shoot Glock. I attribute this to weight of the pistol and not the slide inside the frame. Then again, my Glock experience is mostly in .40.I'm also not a big fan of the Glock grip angle. I have small/medium hands and had issues with the CZ triggers in DA. Stock CZ triggers aren't the best but they're decent. The CZ felt great in the hand and pointed naturally. All metal CZ 75 series pistols do. CZ's have great balance. For me, Glocks not so much.           Glocks have an inexpensive aftermarket. Even though CZ's are right on it for "bang for your buck" when it comes to buying a pistol, you'll pay premium price for anything attributed to aftermarket, i.e., holsters, mags, gunsmithing, etc. You can purchase 3 Glock mags for the price of 1 factory CZ 75 or CZ 75SP01 mag. Also, unless you've got an advanced engineering degree, it will be difficult to do any of your own work on CZ's. I never did anything more than clean the gun and put in hex grip screws. I'm no rocket scientist. I can tear a Glock completely apart and rebuild it without looking at schematics. I was always afraid I'd have to ship off the CZ to be rebuilt if I tinkered too much.     I never carried the CZ. For me, it was too heavy. Obviously CZ has smaller pistols than the full-size, but when I tried to find a CZ 2075 Rami BD in 9MM locally to have a kid brother for the full size, I couldn't find one. I looked for a full year. I saw them on line in the $650-$800 range. I looked at a PCR for awhile but knew deep down it wouldn't replace the Glock 23 I have so much practice with. I don't think I could have comfortably concealed the PCR in warm weather anyway.         I sold the CZ, not because I didn't like it, but because I consolidated handgun calibers and it was the only 9MM I had. Mine had the black polycoat finish. I liked the way it looked. Glocks are fugly. My buddy bought his Pre-B from Robertson's Trading Post for a little over $300. It was made in the late-80's and looks like someone took steel wool to the slide and frame. It was still every bit as accurate as my newly manufactured CZ. The Czechs can make a handgun.      I'm not a Glock fanboy. CZ's have sexy Czech cold war appeal like forbidden fruit. They are the elusive, exotic European spy. Glocks are the chubby Austrian girl next door who's always around. One of these days I'll own another CZ. Right now, for me it all boils down to availability and affordability. That's the biggest drawback. The platform preference is truly personal.           

There's already a thread about this pistol with a lot of feedback:    http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/79221-hk-vp9-might-have-to-give-this-striker-fired-thing-another-try/   You should check out the Hickok45 Youtube video as well. Gives a good rundown. Shows it's virtually the same size as the G17 with (2) less rounds.   

I'm continually impressed with what Ruger is doing with expanding the LCR line. But you are both spot on.   

Coke or Pepsi? I prefer the Ruger LCR in .357 for the extra couple ounces of weight and the covered back strap with the Hogue Tamer Grips. In my opinion, it is the best double action .38 Special revolver ever made (even though chambered in .357). Then again, I'm a Pepsi guy. When shooting .38 Special and .38 +P, it gets the job done. I like the trigger...some folks don't. I find the stock Smith j-frame double action horrendous.     You can't go wrong with a Smith j-frame or a Ruger LCR series revolver. It all boils down to personal preference. 

Like others have said, a used S&W 5906 is probably the best all-metal 9mm for your budget. But all things considered, if it is going to be used as a nightstand gun, you need something with an accessory rail to attach a light. I've seen some Cougars with a rail for sale online but never in person. I have no idea whether the Canik model you mentioned has one or not. I don't have any experience with the Caniks but all reviews have been positive.   Since the Stoeger Cougar was originally made by Beretta there may be more of an aftermarket for the Cougar. That means you can actually find extra magazines and snazzy grips when you get more funds. I've read that even though the Caniks are clones there are problems with magazine compatibility. Don't know how true that is, just read it on the CZ forum some time ago.  

This was a good read and thanks for posting. I wonder if this means that the FBI will transition to the Glock 19/17/34 varieties and that all of the other Federal agencies will slowly begin to follow suit.  

This is a great recommendation for anyone. Add a .22LR conversion kit, and you have a pistol for every purpose a handgun is suited for. At the same time, Glock 23's are a dime a dozen. If the wife has agreed to purchase a $2-3K heirloom gun, I'd do just that and purchase the Glock 23 on the side.  

My vote is for a Sig P210 Legend. Congrats on reaching 50. More congrats on a Wife who will purchase you a unicorn pistol!  

Another vote to take a look at a GP100 for all of the same reasons.  

I haven't had an opportunity to get my hands on an LC9s yet. But I'm a big fan of the double-action Ruger LCR. If you like the Smith J-frame, you may want to take a look at it. I think the LCR's trigger is better than a double action Smith j-frame. Also, they can be had on the cheap used.