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Haha, so true. He actually was not thrilled with what the government made him do to the 1911. His masterpiece was the Hi-Power in 9mm.

You do realize the context of RS original quote was against this very thing some were trying to get legalized with the sodomy issue?

Look, I am far from a Walmart hater. I frankly love the place, especially since I come from the land of Walmart. Heck my family helped open the second Walmart ever and my great grandfather and grandfather were buddies with the late Sam and his wife. All I'm saying is I believe their former MO fit what we have been told and what I've laid out. I don't think it's some deep hidden conspiracy, just marketing issue that are unique to Walmart and something to be aware of. I also believe that the new guns they are selling are probably not from the former tact since it would take some time to get that going again and the are only jumping back into the game to capitalize on the massive market they realized they missed out on. I think it is a good thing to have Walmart back in the game. BTW - there would be no fraud issues with Remington using receivers from a different factory. If that were they case nearly every 1911 manufacturer would be in lawsuits from Remsport, Armscor, and the like for using their frames without their names. Don't even get started on the AR market. It's not an uncommon practice in the firearms industry and I have no problem seeing Walmart use what everyone else uses.

Imagination huh? I guess it is my imagination that Marlin bought the reconstituted H&R 1871 in 2000 and Remington bought Marlin in 2007 giving Remington control of H&R 1871. Cerebrus bought Remington which brought along Remington, Marlin, H&R 1871, and Bushmaster under the same roof. One of their tactics is to share manufacturing instead of having septate facilities. Kinda like when they brought the Marlin lever guns under the Remington facility to correct the QC issues Marlin was having. Ironically all these brands are the ones Walmart is selling....... Hmmm I guess my imagination is pretty good;)

Well, Remington and H&R are owned by the same parent company and the Pardner Pump is nearly identical to the 870 except the receiver is made from a different steel (arguably better) and the the receiver pins spacing is slightly different. Meaning side saddles don't work except without some minor modifications. Also the receiver buttstock "horseshoe" is slightly different. It is a little smaller and the Remington butt-stock will be wider than the receiver. They will fit with some dremel work but they are not direct fits. I imagine this is possibly what Remington was doing to meet the Walmart price points is relabeling Pardner type guns from China with the Remington 870 and thus the fitment issues. I would also guess that Walmart's new gun inventory will not be this way since they are starting over, but it would surprise me if it happens again. I also speculate that this is not Walmarts doing but rather Remington's and the other makers trying to viable meet Walmarts pricing requirements. While that was true the 336W is now distributed to everyone as a lower priced option. Probably due Walmart deciding to quit gun sales then start again. It is the same as the 336 CS with birch furniture, gold trigger, and no butt-pad.

Well somethings amiss. I'll leave the ammo thing alone but as far as the gun issue here is my experience with Remington. We had a shotgun brought in and the fellow wanted an aftermarket stock put on it. After seeing that the receiver would not line up with the stocks and that it was different from the other Remington's we had we called Remington. The lady on the phone asked for the serial number and when we started reading it to her she said, "Oh that's a Walmart model. It is different and won't take aftermarket parts. You have to go through Walmart to get them." That is what I know first hand. Maybe she was wrong and maybe we misunderstood but the reciever was different enough to not work with stocks made for Remingtons.

Wow, I go work a little and here's all this love! I didn't even know I had tinfoil. I guess the aliens did it.

Lots of countries use NATO headstamps as a caliber designation. You may very well be right, but in my experience the WWB from Walmart and every where else I've ever gotten it from has been different. Only problems I've personally had where fromt he Walmart stuff. As far as the rest I got that information from a couple different distributors who said the same thing. It would not be uncommon for Walmart and Winchester to do that. That being said I can not definitvley prove my point any more than you can prove yours.

The only new inovations in firearms since 1909 will be a rail gun, phaser gun with multiple settings, and/or light sabers. Which technically aren't guns but better! Seriously, everything is a variation of something turn of the century or older. Some of the best inventions were created by people messing around with a bunch of stupid ideas before they stumbled on the genious one. Ask Edison.

Haha, All I have to do is stay out past the 200 yrd mark, stand in the open, and rain down bullets on his head.

But I have more bullets and he's old.

Gotta stir the pot sometimes!

To be fair, Tony Rumore and Will Hayden were doing big bore AR's years ago when Ter Weem was still figuiring it out.

Can't be done. That being said, you don't really need either unless your in battle and then you still won't use the forward assist.

Bender, you're putting the cart before the horse. Using that logic man is god and you are arguing socialism. Accepting the idea that there are absolutes of right and wrong that extend beyond man, regardless of the source, is the central and guiding ideology of our forefathers and the Constitution, Declaration, and every other founding concept of this country. Now, who or what you think is the source can be debated but when folks say "God given rights" they are correctly identifying that rights and freedom are not dependent on government or man but only protected and preserved by man and government. As to the roadblocks I don't have a huge issue with it, but I don't like it on a fundamental basis. I see them the same way as I see statistical policing. It has proven ineffectual and costly to other methods.

Call Remington and ask. That's who told us after we couldn't fit a Remington pistol grip on a Remington 870. The lady knew from the serial number it came from Walmart. Look at the head stamps.

Competition is always good, just be careful of Walmart stuff and do your homework. Don't know if they will keep up the practice but they used to make manufactures change a few things that would not make them compatible with aftermarket accessories. The Remington shotguns they sold are a good example. They would not take aftermarket stocks due to a change in their receivers mandated by WM. Also their WWB ammo is not the same WWB you will find in any other store. Due to their pricing policies those lots are farmed out to factories in China. This is a fairly common practice for Walmart supplies. Not necessarily a bad thing, but something to keep in mind. There is a reason they can sell lower than anyone else. BTW- this is not a WM bash. As a whole I love what Walmart offers and in fact my great-grandfather opened their second store in Harrison, AR. I'm a fan. Just not of their gun department.

Statistically, 147g even in +P are far too slow for the 9mm platform to perform well especially in such a short barrel. You are basically turning the 9mm into a heavy, slow .380. Personally I would recomend a 124g +P. Gives you the best perfomance the 9mm can achieve.

Glen comes by our store quite a bit and he is a good guy to deal with.

This. Remeber carryying a weapon is against the law even with a permit in TN. The permit is only an exception and the officer can secure the weapon for his own safety.

Every definitive ruling I have seen from the ATF says it is an SBR. The problem with the ATF is that their definitions tend to conflict with each other and they are the ones that get to decide arbitrarily which it is. If you look at what Willard posted from the ATF you can see that it could be read both ways. The only way is to submit a for a ruling from the ATF on you specific request and then keep that letter for all eternity as they will probably forget. I also agree with Lester that it is of little usefulness to go through the extra cost and paperwork. Get a single point sling and tension it to compensate for a stock and use the mag-well as the front support ala MP5.

My understanding is that since you have made it a "two handed" fired weapon it ceases to become a pistol and is now a SBR (ATF Logic:rolleyes:). The AOW, I believe, doesn't apply since the barrel is rifled and not smooth.

yes.

I'm actually surprised and impressed this thread took this long to go full bore religious!

I have no problem with people having fun with it. The only thing that makes me uneasy is the lengths that some adults go through to convince and argue with kids of the idea. Seriously, I've actually had people get irrittated with my kids becasue they doubted the claim.