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That kinda my point. Unless you go the route I did and get it with the front end already converted you are going to be very close to an Aresenal when it's all said and done the old way. Right now I've got less than $600 in it. That's over $200 less than an Aresnal. Of course I used to be able to do these a LOT cheaper. I guess words gotten out.

Right now they are running in the sub $550 range I used to get Red Jacket to do my front end work and he only charged me $100 in labor to remove and install the new parts (VERY cheap compared to others I asked). I would refinish them myself. So if you take a Saiga @ $375ish, +$70 HG, +$40 Gas tube, +$50 GB, +$25 FS, and +20 HG retainer. you would come out to to about $580 without paying for labor just to convert the front end. Add labor and you are close to $700 and you haven refinished it or converted the back end. Pretty good deal IMO. BTW - I still have to plug the back holes. I've got an internal reciever block and ACE stock, but I think I'm going to put that on the Tantal I've got coming and put the Polish folder on this one.

This technically is not a 2A versus property rights. It is property right vs. property right. Ironically one persons rights to property can not trump anothers, yet that is exactly what we have allowed to happen. It would be like someone claiming my marriage is temporarily void while I'm at someone else's house. Don't think that's going to happen.

Well, I decided to "build" another one. I decided to tryy one of the new IZH-332 Saiga's that have the front end converted at the Izhmash factory. This makes a full conversion much easier and cheaper since I didn't have to hunt down the parts and then send them off to have installed. The only drawback is that the reciever doens't have "dimples", but most of them till recently didn't either so it's not that big of a deal. I'm gonna leave this one kinda basic. I'm really diggin the Molot grip. These thing are great! BTW the threads are 24x1.5 and the front trunnion was flat onth is reciever. Every other one I've had was round. Outside of converting the rear end the only other thing I had to do was cut the thread protector off the front sight block. Here she is! before: (stock photo) After:

Seriously? He was the result of one of the biggest drama/buddy buddy nonsense issues that show has seen. They didn't cry but he and the George guy were just ridiculous in their man love.

It's kinda of apples and oranges. The Saiga is a far better gun in every respect, but it's in a different form. You can get one of the new Saiga IZH-332 that has the front end already converted for less than a WASR. Which makes a full on conversion a LOT easier if you decide to go that route down the road. or you can get a Saiga IZH-132 tha already has the back end converted. Cost about the same as a WASR. Let me know when you are coming by the shop and you can see the difference in a converted Saiga (the IZH-332) and a WASR.

Benefit of the doubt on ambiguity and keeping with the COC of maintaining good relations with fellow members. Just sayin.

I apologize for getting off topic on an off topic post. These threads are supposed to be geared to the OP and I did assume it was in regards to that. I certainly agree with you on some of the other nonsense post that were made, but I was ignoring them as the ignorance that they were. Miscommunication on my part for assuming as I accused you of doing. Really thought this thread is getting hard to follow. Seems there are about three or four different rabbit trails going.

Oh, agreed. Some of those post are really out of place both in regards to morals and the OP.

The moral dilemma is one that is assumed, not in fact. This thread has turned into some major moral dilemma that was neither presented or asked, but inferred by OTHERS who assumed they knew the intention of the OP. According to the OP he opened the can not knowing what it was and the dealer was closed so he couldn't call once he realized the error. Whether or not he called first thing this AM and paid for it or sent it back is not known. Give the guy a break, relax on solving the worlds morality issues on an internet forum, and climb down from the ivory tower. I don't know TNT well enough to vouch for what he will do, but the interactions I've had with him lead me to believe that he has been completely taken out of context and fully intends to do the right thing. It would have been as equally easy (and morally right BTW) to assume he was asking in innocence rather than assume he was some moral-less thief.

Seriously? Over estimating ones self importance you are. . Making mountains out of molehills.

What TNTNixon does or doesn't do is up to him and the dealer. So far there is nothing he can do till they open anyway and then it will have to worked out. He didn't know when he opened them what it was. It happens. Either way he's been down and trying to get back up. Glad we have someone to kick him back down and make sure he's corrected.

Well, they did make 37 million of them. Knowing the communist Cold War ere efficiency, I'm betting there are probably some unused Yugo cars still sitting in abandoned factories with unissued Mosins in the back.

I have the same one. It always jams.

Good to hear from you again. We've missed seeing you in the store. I pray all is well with you dad? Anyway, the Mosin will handle the crappiest ammo you could ever find so you should be good to go. Congrats on the gun BTW!

I didn't say it was a good arguement.

NIce article by an actual lawyer. BTW most PO are privately owned and then leased to the government. http://rlwesquire.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/question-about-concealed-carry-in-a-post-office/

Post offices are posted at the indoor counter. I can't find the specific ruling but I was under the impression you could carry into the PO Box area as long as you didn't carry to the counter area. Thus the reason it is seperated by a door and a posting on the inside door.

Not too long ago .380 was the most widely used PD gun caliber in the WORLD. It is still largely issued in Europe and many other places.

One of the new Taurus .380 Revolvers might not be a bad idea. They are still small and comfortable to shoot and the .380 won't recoil as bad as the .38 spl. You will probably want to have some work done on the trigger, but it is the only thing in that niche ATM and for the money you won't feel as bad if she doesn't like it. It sounds like she would be a little recoil sensitive and if that is the case stay away from the little .380's (LCP, P3AT, TCP, etc.) Those things are miserable to shoot for any time for someone who isn't recoil sensitive.

He speaks the truth

Search will help, but essentially a Saiga is a Russian AK that they configure to be able to import under a "sporting" gun classification. It is fairly easy to convert them to a standard AK. They will take AK mags once you install a bullet guide and take a little material off the mag catch.

I think you will find the TGO community is pretty diverse when it comes to politics. That being said I hear A LOT from the Ron Paul people here. The problem with Libertarians/conservatives is we tend to get locked into these all or nothing stances. That is the reason Ron Paul will never be more than what he currently is. I like Paul on a lot of things and not so much on others. I can say that about most of the rest of the candidates as well. Believe it or not there are other issues besides 2A issues. As far as to the OP, Ron Paul can't get elected because there are not enough people to elect him. Even if there were such a thing as a completely fair, no fraud election he wouldn't make it into the top 3 ... on the Republican side. People who vote for Ron Paul are exactly why a guy like Romney and the Republic-rats continue to stay in power and lead these primaries. He is the Ross Perot of current conservative politics.

Keep in mind the MP5A5 barrels are threaded at the ends for the shroud. There doesn't seem to be any issues with that setup, so I can't see how shortening the barrel and threading it could be an issue.

... and OH! That AK is a sweet one! Aresenal does great work.