Smith

First, I never said we were founded on a specific religion. Judeo-Christian values is a very broad concept that includes all if the founding fathers root ideology even encompassing much of Islam. Deist included. Secondly, I guess all the scriptures chiseled into all if our federal buildings and monuments, the ten commandments watching over most of the highest federal court, the fact that every president, senator, judge, and congressman is sworn in on the Bible, and"In God We Trust" marked all over our currency (just to name a few) are definite marks of a secular humanist society.

[quote name='HvyMtl' timestamp='1352348229' post='841645']No, Romney was being handled by some of the same GOP handlers that controlled Dubya. Mitt would have been Dubya II, fighting a war in Ira[s]q[/s]n. We would have had the same type of SCOTUS candidates (Like a certian Chief Justice that burned us on Obamacare) same foreign policy, same terrable (proven worse than O's) handling of the economy (though, honestly most of that control resides with Congress, not the President), same uselessness. O is bad, but I do not think he reaches the depths of Dubya bad. What I learned: The GOP needs an enema. It needs to cut the chaffe away, get rid of the direction it is flailing in, and get back to a more Libertarian principal. Mitt should have NEVER been an acceptable candidate for President. McCain was more realistic, and he was awful. 3 terrible Presidential candidates in a row (Dubya, McCain, Mitt) equals a party that needs a massive overhaul. You need to check again, several Founding Fathers were not Christian, or Jewish. They based this new found experiment on other previous governments, such as the Romans (pre-existed Christianity) Athens, and the like. Ben Franklin was a Diest, and Diesm was a major factor in our Revolution. True, there was some influence from Jewish and Christian beliefs. Arguably, other religions impacted too. Confusionism? Yes, even Islamic governments may have had impact in the design. These were learned men. Intellectuals. They studied a lot of different things, and attempted to gleen the best of all governments preceeding, to create a better nation. Limiting to Christian-Judeo beliefs is not a true concept of this Nation's founding. True, the majority of this nation is of the Christian Faith. To be more specific, Catholic. By default, you should be saying a Catholic nation. As they are the largest religious group, and therefore, have the most influence. Socially, the US may have been Christian, Catholic, for the most part. But, all religions, even those most Christian faiths believe are not religions, are allowed here. (And several Christian faiths do not believe Mormanism is Christianity...) So, what is the largest growing ethnicity? Hispanics. What is their primary religous standing? Catholic. Oh, and perhaps we are more Christian than you think. Or do you not believe in, ""Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's," Matthew 22:21. Perhaps that is the deal, God not wanting you to concern yourself so much with worldy affairs over heavenly ones...[/quote] You're reinforcing my original point. How in the world can you claim Bush was as bad or worse than Obama? What quantifiable measurement are you using? Economics? No. Welfare? No. Unemployment? No. natural resources/gas prices? No. Deficit spending? No. Supreme court oppoinments? Disappointing, but still no. Immigration? Closer but still.. No. Foreign policy? Bengazi......

If you look at the map by counties, its nearly all red. The only blue counties are the ones with major cities. Interesting.

Make sure you come get them when I'm there. We need to catch up.

[quote name='atlas3025' timestamp='1352327640' post='841376'] It is tempting to say let the lefties have it so we can start over...but we will lose our guns, freedom, and happiness in the meantime, and probably die before the rebuilding begins. Its like a German-Jew lamenting in 1938 that he hopes Hitler gets his way so that society collapses and they can build a new unified Jew friendly Deutschland. Did I just compare The Left to the Nazis? They are all totalitarians, so sure. I did. [/quote] That's why i'm only giving them the economics, not giving in on the social side.

[quote name='HvyMtl' timestamp='1352325872' post='841359'] We were never considered a Christian-Judeo government, even by the Founding Fathers. See the Treaty of Tripoli, written in 1796, approved by the 2nd President, a certain John Adams. See the treaty's article 11. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Treaty_of_Tripoli_as_communicated_to_Congress_1797.png"]http://en.wikipedia....ngress_1797.png[/url] This misconception is a more recent creation. [/quote] Yeah, we've been over that an I'm not proposing that being a Judeo-Christian nation constitutes an established religion or institution However, it is undeniable that we were founded on Judeo-Christian principles of law, freedom, ethic, and government. As we have openly moved to remove those foundations we have eroded the very fabric of individual freedom that gave this country it's stability and greatness. We no longer have a traditional work ethic, traditional family values, traditional understanding of societal responsibility, traditional values. Traditional=Judeo-Christian. I hope people are honest enough to see that you can not remove our original foundation without destabilizing and destroying everything. You don't have to be a Christian to hold Judeo-Christian principles. The truth's are universal and not subject to one religion, but Christianity is subject to those truth's.That was proven in plain sight on Nov. 6th. BTW - I don't see this as giving up. I see it like the prodigal son.

[quote name='CCI' timestamp='1352322698' post='841307'] Nov. 10 ??, did you mean the 6th! [/quote] Haha, I was prophesying! Yeah, I meant 6th.

I've heard the arguments back and forth on the moral decline of our society, the Judeo-Christian ethic, whether or not we were founded on Religious principles, and whether we were a humanist secular nation or a Christian nation and up to this point it was mainly academic with pointers going in both directions. Last night I saw it quantified. How any one could vote for and not see through a thinly cloaked avowed socialist who has proven that his ideology is divisive and destructive can only mean one of two things. Either Americans are not very bright or we have ceased to be a culture that looked out for his fellow man and are willing to burn it all to the ground as long as we get our Union pensions, welfare, cell phone, government checks, and healthcare, Two things that became reality last night: 1. We are no longer a Judeo-Christian nation and govern by the principles of our founding fathers and documents. 2. The secular-humanist now outnumber the conservatives. You can argue that these are good things, but every part of our society that is measurable would refute that claim. You can argue that we are progressing, yet every quantifiable measurement would deny that. We only have to look at the history of those who have gone before us in Germany, Russia, Italy, Greece, France, China, England, Spain ........... Argue what you may, but the moral decline in America is now quantifiable and present. We have stripped the values of our founding from the highest levels of authority and this is what we have been left with. This is not fatalist, but I propose we let the socialist have full economic control and let them finish what is unavoidable. By fighting it we only prolong the pain and suffering that is inevitable. When it is in ashes and the people cry out for redemption, we rebuild from the beginning, fresh and new. My 2 cents or 1/2 cent once inflation catches up.

I lean more towards this being a good example of an inept bureaucratic government than a conspiracy to block votes. Of course it's always hard to tell because like Obama, he is either a crazy liberal genius or an inept liberal bureaucrat.

[indent=1]This happens every election does it not?[/indent]

[quote name='Sam1' timestamp='1352146596' post='839480'] That guy is a tool, obviously he was doing it to stir up ####. That's like licking a plugged in electric cord and suing the power company because you got shocked. [/quote] Indeed it is.

Just called and they don't have me in the system. Sent a MO with paperwork a month ago.

[quote name='C.lunn' timestamp='1352088129' post='839267'] Really? Who are you then AK guy? I used to go in there all the time.[/quote] Haha, changed my scream name from Smith.

Love converting Saiga's. Very nice start. Bring it by the shop if you need any help down the road.

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1352068556' post='839071'] Once you start off spanking youll prob stick with it much like people who smoke. You cant spank then do timeouts and expect them to work. I still stick with spanking is just being lazy no matter what anyone says. We started timeouts and taking away toys with our kid since she was 6 months old. She is 6 now and is very resonable and kind, she knows right from wrong. She is pretty politicaly correct for her age. She is a calm kid compared to hyper 6 year olds like I was. We havent gotten on to her in weeks. She beside me now playing Angry Birds. You dont have to spank, but if its something the parents fill they must bring out of their bag of parenting skills, then so be it. Just remember kids do as they see and hear. [/quote] I can tell you that the difference between one kid and several makes a big difference as well. One kid is pretty darn easy. When you get out numbered it can turn on you pretty quickly, just sayin.

[quote name='Dolomite_supafly' timestamp='1351996574' post='838638'] Yes, I have shot a lot of .311" jacketed bullets down a .308" bore without issues as long as you work up accordingly. And a .308" bullet can be fired out of .311" bore without issue other than accuracy issues. That is the reason why most AK's over here shoot like crap anyways. The commercial ammo generally uses .308" bullets. I have measured a lot of them and I have yet to find one that uses the correct .311" bullet. Dolomite [/quote] I thought that was what you had found. Now that I think about it, I could actually have 3 platforms that all use the same bullets. AR (.300), AK, and a .308 bolt gun and still have the 5.56 as backup. Interesting.

A bit off topic but i can't seem to get a clear understanding of this. If I were to start reloading, could I reload for .300BLK and 7.62x39 using the same bullets? If I could then I could have two platforms, 3 calibers sharing several components, and the ultimate in all round versatility.

[quote name='CCI' timestamp='1351967516' post='838431']Probably needs special counseling or therapy![/quote] True. There will be a meeting behind the wood shed.

[quote name='CCI' timestamp='1351903335' post='838050'] Why would any one spank or hit a two year old child? Two years old!!! I shocked at the responses I'm reading, that's it's OK to spank a child of that age! That is abuse, cut and dried! [/quote] Haha, half the time they're in a diaper and a swat on the hind end gets their attention pretty quickly and doesn't hurt them. Especially since their verbal skills and reasoning aren't quite there yet. At 2 it's about focus. Instant correction or afirmation is needed at 2, not discussion. BTW - spanking is NOT hitting.

[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351899900' post='838017'] You may come up with several reasons to hit children but the simple fact is children grow to be adults. when you hit children you are teaching an adult it is OK to hit others. Hitting children is against the law in this country as far as I know. If I am wrong then it should be. [/quote] Spanking is not hitting. Hitting a child is abuse, spanking is not. It's like suing the Drill instructor for verbal abuse or arresting a parent for putting their kid in timeout with a kidnapping charge.

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1351887370' post='837936'] Im willing to see a 2 year study of a child who is out of control and who is spanked every day. And send that kid to a home with a parent that reasons and doesnt spank. Id like to see the differnce after 2 years. I really do not belive you need to spank ever. Id even be part of the study to prove it. [/quote] You could do a new study and you'd still be wrong with several thousand of years of actual evidence plus modern studies to the same effect. You're isolating on one technique. It doesn't work that way and never has. You are describing abuse not discipline. I fa kid needs spanking everyday then your have much bigger issues. I suggest you get past the emotional objection and use all the tools available to you. Your one child may not need that approach, I have some that do and some that don't. It's naive to treat every kid the same and assume they all respond the same. And no I won't give you the links. That would be lazy on my part.

Raising kids and disciplining is not an exact science. I've got four kids and my oldest daughter I can speak to sternly and she falls to pieces. My oldest son I can spank all day (metaphorically) before it gets through to him. Each instance is different and each kid is different. It ain't easy being a parent and discipline won't be perfect. Avoid responding in anger (easy said) and always have a moment of redemption afterwords. As I told my son I'd rather he hurt temporarily by my hands of guidance than permanently by a world who doesn't care. That being said each situation is different. Getting advice here on your situation is not something any of us here can give you clarity on. I can say to be very careful in both directions. DO NOT let the child be abused, however, when DCS gets involved it can often be worse. I've seen it both ways. Wisdom and good judgment are necessary - NOT emotions.

It actually has already been used many times in real "end of world" scenarios across the Globe.Mostly third world countries and genocide. Most folks refer to it as the AK47 in 7.62x39! In all seriousness, it is definitley a great round for those purposes for the same reason as the x39. Only problem I can see is the gun more so than the caliber. Also if you have the resources to load with all those components then ammo is not going to be the biggest issue.

Congrats Wayne!

10mm would be an awesome AR pistol caliber.