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Call them what they are ... Fantasy camp. :up:  Fun and you will learn some good stuff but practicality is not the reason people go. The training above is more realistic IMO

bring it by the shop. we can walk you through it.

Even Sharpton says some good stuff from time to time, but that is not why he is used by the media. ;) We're not that naive Brian and I'm one that likes Bill. :rofl:

Thanks. You made my point. ;) 

This is all pointless. The premise is false "Why would people like such a deadly weapon as used in a shooting of school children?". This is sensationalism. Brian has already stated that he doesn't intend to give any decisive information, only to reassemble opinions of people and organizations that are already established. I'm not sure why I'd want to read a story that doesn't present anything new. Who is the target audience? My only guess is to sell a story that does little more than to continue to emotionalize two groups that are already charged. I believe we are trending back towards Yellow journalism.   Brian, I think you are a good guy with good intentions and that you have no hidden agenda. I also don't think this is your intention, but intended or not it is what it is.

Not to mention the one nut or infiltrator that starts shooting in order to "jump start the revolution". I see that ending badly.

If you filed for a CCP that may be your problem. There is no such thing. Should have learned that in your class. If you didn't you may want to check all the other info they taught you. That's kind of a big one. ;)

It's how the AR guys can get an AK and not feel bad about it! :) It's a great round for the same reason the 7.62x39 is, but it maintains the versatility of the AR.

Great thing is at some point this will all end and the market will be so saturated I can buy AR's and lowers for next to nothing! Of course the price of mags, ammo, and parts will stay up for a bit longer and unforntuantley AK's will never go down. :(

Outside of the fact they didn't account for leap year on our calendar their end date actually happened last year. Of course, I always found it funny people thought they could see the end of the world in 2012 but not the Spanish. ;)

Rusty the L5A is what you are looking for. The L5 was the first gens. I had a bunch of them and really liked them. Metal feed lips and floor plates with poly bodies that were equal in strength to the Pmags. Plus they look really cool IMO with the translucent bodies. I wish I had them back but the early ones wouldn't fit in the MSAR I had at the time, so I sold them.

Actually I'm leaning more towards leaving it alone and getting the SBR done. The whole confiscation/search thing is relatively secondary concern as has been pointed out a lot would have to happen between now and then.   I was thinking more about if I wanted to sell it or do something else with it down the road it might be a little more difficult.  As we've seen the ATF can change their "interpretation" on laws at the drop of a hat (like with the once a rifle always a rifle thing) and could easily "interpret" it a less helpful way. Just my thoughts.

Not so concerned with a gun round up or search ATM, but if things were to change (laws change) it would make sense that the first list they would start with is the NFA list. I could also see that if grandfathering wasn't allowed that it could be conceivable that a warrant could be gained simply for being on the NFA list if there is no other record of it being disposed.   I don't see this happening quickly, but I was just wondering if it was worth the risk for one SBR that works just as well as a pistol. Also the ability to sell it later could be a problem.

Started happening to a couple of us at work yesterday. We'd log out and then come back later and one of us would be logged back in. Don't know if it's something on our end or something on TGO's end. Not that big a deal really, but if you see some weird post from me ... it may not be me :)    We've learned the hard way to ALWAYS log out of personal stuff at work. You may or may not get a lesbian rainbow belt buckle bought and sent to you through your Amazon account. :rofl:

Dolomite please refer to Roberts post. No your response was not relevant.

    Don't know what this has to do with my question, but thanks?

Tim that would work with rational people, but if you let the crazies take a little at a time they fly under the radar and are able to stay in the shadows. Look at who we have as a president. In any other time frame he would have been labeled (correctly so) a socialist commie and no one would have supported him ... even for congress. I've watched our side try to "negotiate", find middle ground, compromise, be "reasonable" and all we do is loose.   I am more convinced now than ever that the only way to fight the other side is to put up a rock wall and stand firm. That's how we beat the Russians, that is how they have been beating us, that is how the Vietcong beat us, and it is the only way to beat them. You can't give them anything. They have a weakness ...their arrogance. With their arrogance if you don't allow them legitimacy they will eventually throw a tantrum. Once they reveal their underside you can fight fire with fire. You can't give into their premise or it validates them and they keep going. Lies need constant validation. If you shut off the validation you will choke the argument.   BTW - we are on the same side. I just see a different approach. You're idea would work extremely well with people who actually care about the good of the country and not just their own party ideology.

Biden claims and Obama claimed (at the news conference) that Biden wrote the '94 AWB. That is his stance.

As much as I dislike some aspects of the NRA, I think they are our best hedge against the illogical. Sometimes you have to join on the bonds of commonality and deal with the objectionable issues later. The war is more important than the battle ATM.

So with everything happening at the moment, it got me thinking that being on the NFA registry and opening myself to the search parameters of the ATF is probably not worth the hassle of having one SBR. I'd just rather withdraw my application before it gets any further (No tinfoil :))  and keep my pistol status.  BTW - my app was sent in November and is pending. I was expecting to get it back at the soonest in March.   Two questions: 1. Is it really something to be concerned about or not? 2. What's the best way to go about this if I decide to follow through with my withdraw?   Its not so much a tinfoil issue as a legal issue if things were to get worse. I mean the gun is already the evilest of evil AK's. A short, high capacity, killing machine, Draco! ;)  

"Doing Something" to satisfy illogical people adds fuel to their irrational. That's what has destroyed the Republican Party since Reagan and given rise to the Democrat ideological machine. It's like saying we'll agree with Al Qaeda in principle if they'll just stop hating us. Doesn't work. You can't logically negotiate with people whose premise is illogical; Whether that be Al Qaeda or the Liberals.

Why do we "HAVE" to do something. Nothing would have prevented CT except his mother proactively being responsible. She had many lapses in judgement.   Ride the wave let the emotion die and then respond with thought. You never make good decisions when you are emotional ... especially the government. 

The CCI "AR Tactical" stuff works well. I aslo have some old stuff I got at WM in bulk pack (525) Winchester Western that has worked well. Pretty much anything high velocity and plated will work well.

Funny thing is with 4 kids, this is what I expected to see when I clicked on the thread. ;)

Biggest question is why the sudden rise in "mental health cases"? Sure there is more reported now than in the past, but why the associated violence. If it were just a reporting issue then there would have had to been more cases of mass assault in the past, but that is not the case. I have believed this for some time that the main common factor is a shift in societal response to mental issues. We want to use drugs to alter people who may or may not be chemically altered already and in doing so I believe we are making mountains out of mole hills.   I watched my mother teach the "problem kids" in school who enjoyed learning in her class room. When she taught there was very little class disruption. Her "trick"? Teach each kid at his own pace. Some kids learn faster than others some learn slower. Most teachers can only teach at the speed they themselves learn which is usually in the middle leaving the fast kids bored and the slower kids frustrated. When these kids get frustrated or bored bad things begin to happen. When bad things happen our societal response is medication.    It has been shown that only about 5% of children diagnosed with ADD/ADHD actually have a chemical imbalance and most of those children have imbalances due to prenatal drug abuse or some other outside chemical influence ie lead poising etc. However, the vast majority of kids with "diagnosed" ADD/ADHD are on some form of medication often times very strong medications. Chemically altering a child's mind that is in varied stages of development can not be a good thing.   I'm not against medication, but I believe that it is another way in which our society has taken responsibility out of the individuals hands and in turn blame something else. You have behavioral issues? - medicate. Home problems? - medicate. Relationship issue? - medicate. Coping issues? - medicate. IMO, Most of these kids just need structure, discipline, or a little different teaching approach and they can learn and behave as well as any "normal" kid.   Help them to learn that each individual is unique and different and that is is up to them to find a way to make it through. Most will need help along the way, but chemically making them "normal" doesn't seem to be working.