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The problem with ideology and this discussion is you can't make baselines for an argument without accepting a common base. One view is coming from an absolute of right and wrong. The other is coming from a question of how do we enforce right and wrong properly in a socety. The Holocaust was an example of right and wrong. Weaver was the other. The Jews were exterminated because they were "right". The Nazi's were "wrong". The Jews did nothing to morally, legally, or otherwise instigate their situation. It was completely and whole heartedly perpetrated on them by the Nazi's. The problem with Weaver was that the "crimes" committed against him were instigated by him. Had he never broken the law and then failed to use our publicly accepted procedure for defending and rectifying himself, the said scenario would have never happened. Now did the Feds cross the line, absolutley. However the two comparisons are two separate issues. One is right and wrong the other is a debate on what is acceptable in our society to govern right and wrong. The Gov't was "right" in it's addressing of the issue but wrong in it's final application. The Nazi's were wrong all the way through. Just another .02

With 9mm you not going to be target shooting beyond 150 yrds. just shoot it and clean when you get it home. Should be good to go.

Curses on you all!

That's one of the main reasons people don't get Glocks!

Gotta agree on this one. The idea of seeing my wife at 55 with a dragon tat isn't all that appealing.

A person wearing a HCP badge is as dumb as this!

That's the same logic Cyndi Sheehan uses when she calls Bush a fascist dictator. They are not the same. They may originate from similar ideologies, but the application is vastly different. Just because a pine tree and an oak tree originate from similar seeds and are trees doesn't make them the same. If I get a pine tree disease I'm not going to cut down all the oaks too.

For you guys in Memphis and those of us hoping he doesn't come to our town! [ame] [/ame]

This is from High Noon Holsters. http://www.highnoonholsters.com/_Questions/_questions.html#1

last time i flew, the guy in front of me was checking a handgun. He had to give them the key and they opened it checked, closed it, gave him the key back, and he went to his terminal.

Too the Sheriff's dept handled the deal badly lying about how many shots were fired, (FBI later validated Weaver) who shot first (again FBI validated), how much firepower was involved, on and on the list went. The FBI later validated most of the Weavers statements. The Sheriff's department heightened the force exponentially through lies in order to save face. The FBI assumed they were truthful and acted without validating first. However, that is in no way a comparison to the Holocaust. Innocent people were rounded up, forced into settlements, later to be routinely and systematically exterminated (not to mention experimented with), and there was no violation of any law that triggered or instigated the process. There was no mistaken or bad info, it was simply genocide and was not even in the arena of war/conflict, where one side eliminates the other (again not justified, but explainable).

Isn't it ironic that she's upset that government took her "right" to protect herself and family and children by repealling her law that took those very rights from the people. Pot calling the kettle black. It doesn't even make sense.

Which one? I didn't know any of those had been issued.

Again to equate them in anyway is comparing apples and horses. They have no parallel at all, except people died. The Branch Dividian and Weaver disasters were not about religion for the FBI and ATF, even though that was the media justification for some of it. However, the media spun that wrong just like the Nazi's spun the propaganda for the extermination of the Jews under Hitler saying it was because of economics, race, ect. It was because of the hedonistic desire to destroy God's people. Good vs. evil. It's like comparing the death from a drunk driver to the Holocaust.

First picture is closer to the color than the others. They are a light brown. Definitely not white. It's one of those colors that I don't think translate in pictures very well.

Very nice! Especially the 2nd one.

I know what you mean about unique. I was getting tired of the Cocobolo as everyone has them. These were just unique and different, in a good way IMO. A big bonus was the feel and fit! She does a good job, to say the least.

Earlier I had asked about certain grips from Esmeralda. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6235. Well, they came today and I like them! They are definitely darker than the original picture and look very much wood and not Ivory as the seemed to from the website. I gotta say, so far I really like them. They are different, but when I gripped my HP I really liked how the grips feel. very smooth yet gave a good grip. The pictures don't do them or the gun justice, but here are a few anyway.

Get a K&D. Very good from everyone who has them. Long wait though. http://kdholsters.com/products.php

You probably know this, but the Cochise is IWB or OWB.

You can't get better than K&D's Dakota Defender. cost, workmanship, quality, comfort, on and on it goes. the Only negative is the wait time. Check out their site http://kdholsters.com/. You will also find a lot of info on the on the XDtalk site. Just do a search on Dakota Defender and you will see what I mean.

XD triggers can be really sweet. I had mine done by Springer Precision, before they had started releasing the do it yourself stuff. It was really nice. Had a 4 lb trigger with very little take up or over travel. The DIY stuff is pretty good too, from what I've heard.

I've had an XD-9 Service and most recently the FNP-9. I sold the XD cause I really like the FNP. Either way you will enjoy. Congrats!

Actually.....$0.2675 a round.

Pretty sure he wanted to see the GUN! ......so do I!