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Your right, it is impossible to prove a negative. That being said, I challenge anyone to show hard evidence of embryonic stem cell research being used in any positive test. The so called "potential" miracle that might be found is about as good science as Al Gore's global warming science. However, there is plenty of alternatives and sources of stem cells that have nothing to do with embryonic cells. Consequently they have been used in numerous positive treatments and therapies. Currently they are being used in some cancer treatments as well as Hodgekins. As a right wing, religious, anti-abortion, zealot I fully support this research. The sources at the bottom of the Wikipedia source is a good resource. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell_controversy

There is exactly zero science or proof that science can come from embryonic stem cells. However, great advancements have been made using the many other resources of stem cells. The embryonic issue is really a ploy to find a market for abortion research thus ensuring the abortion issue. Not to get that whole issue going, but that is really what the so called "stem" cell issue is about. I have no problem with current stem cell research, but the wanting government to buy aborted babies for "research" that is unecessary is troubling.

It is a perpetual swing. It will never stop in the middle. It will go waaaay left and then react and swing tooooo far right. It is the nature of humans to live in extremes.

Try this. it seems like a sound and good procedure. It is a series of abrasive bullets in progressively milder "grits" to polish or "lap" the barrel. Here is the full article http://www.gunsandammomag.com/gun_columns/notes/0707/ and the company that makes them. http://www.superiorshootingsystems.com/

Might I add that our country has progressively gotten more secularist in it's voting as time has passed. Many issues we face today are a result of that - some good, many much worse as far as crime, criminal punishment, drugs, ect. go. IMO. It would be a hard argument to say less religious tone has been better overall for our nation. If you want to get back to the founding fathers intent, you can't ignore the religious aspects that were the foundation for their ideologies.......that would be called liberalism. And with that the hate mongering, right wing extremist, Christian radical will now leave the thread alone.

Either is extremely good. It's a personal choice. You can get the Cochise Defender and wear it either way.

You do realize our Founding Father's were the Moral Majority? This is more liberal propaganda conservatives have bought. That somehow religious people (by nature uneven and extreme:rolleyes:) will slowly legislate their own extremist beliefs. Isn't that what everyone does? Vote their beliefs? At least you know where they come from, unlike the "moderates". Isn't that what scares everyone about McCain? He's a moderate and you never know which side he will fall on. This is liberal non-sense and I'm sad to say some of you have bought it.

That is expensive for what it is. You can get a top of the line custom made for less in some cases. Try K&D http://kdholsters.com/. You'll have to wait, but it'll be worth it.

I think that is because a lot of us have met one another.It takes some of the anonymity away, which is a good thing....sometimes ! Some folks are a lot dumber looking in person!:D

Why? This is rather intriguing discussion. Nothing is out of hand or mean spirited. If you don't want to read it don't.

The problem with ideology and this discussion is you can't make baselines for an argument without accepting a common base. One view is coming from an absolute of right and wrong. The other is coming from a question of how do we enforce right and wrong properly in a socety. The Holocaust was an example of right and wrong. Weaver was the other. The Jews were exterminated because they were "right". The Nazi's were "wrong". The Jews did nothing to morally, legally, or otherwise instigate their situation. It was completely and whole heartedly perpetrated on them by the Nazi's. The problem with Weaver was that the "crimes" committed against him were instigated by him. Had he never broken the law and then failed to use our publicly accepted procedure for defending and rectifying himself, the said scenario would have never happened. Now did the Feds cross the line, absolutley. However the two comparisons are two separate issues. One is right and wrong the other is a debate on what is acceptable in our society to govern right and wrong. The Gov't was "right" in it's addressing of the issue but wrong in it's final application. The Nazi's were wrong all the way through. Just another .02

With 9mm you not going to be target shooting beyond 150 yrds. just shoot it and clean when you get it home. Should be good to go.

Curses on you all!

That's one of the main reasons people don't get Glocks!

Gotta agree on this one. The idea of seeing my wife at 55 with a dragon tat isn't all that appealing.

A person wearing a HCP badge is as dumb as this!

That's the same logic Cyndi Sheehan uses when she calls Bush a fascist dictator. They are not the same. They may originate from similar ideologies, but the application is vastly different. Just because a pine tree and an oak tree originate from similar seeds and are trees doesn't make them the same. If I get a pine tree disease I'm not going to cut down all the oaks too.

For you guys in Memphis and those of us hoping he doesn't come to our town! [ame] [/ame]

This is from High Noon Holsters. http://www.highnoonholsters.com/_Questions/_questions.html#1

last time i flew, the guy in front of me was checking a handgun. He had to give them the key and they opened it checked, closed it, gave him the key back, and he went to his terminal.

Too the Sheriff's dept handled the deal badly lying about how many shots were fired, (FBI later validated Weaver) who shot first (again FBI validated), how much firepower was involved, on and on the list went. The FBI later validated most of the Weavers statements. The Sheriff's department heightened the force exponentially through lies in order to save face. The FBI assumed they were truthful and acted without validating first. However, that is in no way a comparison to the Holocaust. Innocent people were rounded up, forced into settlements, later to be routinely and systematically exterminated (not to mention experimented with), and there was no violation of any law that triggered or instigated the process. There was no mistaken or bad info, it was simply genocide and was not even in the arena of war/conflict, where one side eliminates the other (again not justified, but explainable).

Isn't it ironic that she's upset that government took her "right" to protect herself and family and children by repealling her law that took those very rights from the people. Pot calling the kettle black. It doesn't even make sense.

Which one? I didn't know any of those had been issued.

Again to equate them in anyway is comparing apples and horses. They have no parallel at all, except people died. The Branch Dividian and Weaver disasters were not about religion for the FBI and ATF, even though that was the media justification for some of it. However, the media spun that wrong just like the Nazi's spun the propaganda for the extermination of the Jews under Hitler saying it was because of economics, race, ect. It was because of the hedonistic desire to destroy God's people. Good vs. evil. It's like comparing the death from a drunk driver to the Holocaust.

First picture is closer to the color than the others. They are a light brown. Definitely not white. It's one of those colors that I don't think translate in pictures very well.