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This is a prime example of the of degradation of US education system.

Yet again i will correct you. Desert Storm was the initial conflict in which we came to the support of a sovereign nation being invaded by Iraq and threatening yet another ally in Saudi Arabia. The conditions of the Iraqi surrender and our subsequent exit from the theater was Iraq's compliance with the terms. Over many years Iraq was found to be in numerous violations of the terms as well as outright defiance of the surrender. The terms also dictated that violation of said terms would result in furter military actions. IMO we waited far too long to bring Saddam into compliance and as such escalated the current effort.

Take them out of the box and dump them in a ammo can.

Uh..... liberal is not a party but an ideology. It transcends parties as does the dissatisfaction most here have with said parties.

HaHa! These things have a way of going all over the place.

She may have assumed the question was coming from an anti POV and she was just placating a customer. That's what managers do.

So far KevinM your arguments against "torture" are BOR, due process, civil rights, constitution.... You do know those don't apply right? Again come down from the ivory tower of arrogance and realize the work in the trenches is not pretty, clean, nor easy. It is arrogant to 1. assume you are superior to others in the realm of humanity and that you are not capable of what they do 2. to assume you are so much more intelligent than the over 4000 yrs of recorded history that shows us what ultimately works in stopping aggressors. Do I want war, torture, killing, crime, bad people? No, but you better believe the reality is they exsist and I'm not going to be polite when I try to stop them. War IS self defense from at least one side. We have not been, nor will we ever be the aggressor! Asking us to not to take every precaution and step to stop the enemy is akin to asking the woman being raped to not fight too hard against her attacker. She just might hurt him in the process and that would just make her as bad as him. Consistency my friends, Consistency. You are mixing civil liberties of US citizens with war zone combatants. Two different games. Two different set of rules.

After looking for over a year for a Walther P99 9mm QA black frame, I finally found one. It wasn't priced too bad either I might add. They are pricey, but when you factor in the back straps, extra mag, & 4 front sights it really isn't so bad. Got it for $649 from Buds. This thing fits like a glove and all the controls feel like they were designed and fit to my hand and taste. I absolutely love it. Of course I did have to sell my awesome G19 to fund this bad boy. Now to find some more 9mm ammo to try the thing out!

Oh, the Ivory tower philosophers. These are the same people who wonder why the cops couldn't have shot the gun out of an assailants arm instead of killing him with "massive" center mass hits. The argument is the same. If we shoot back in kind we are no better than the armed murderer. Again !

On some of the other threads folks were saying you could find 340's in the 450-550 range used. I haven't seen that personally so I can't say but the 642 and 442 definitley fit your figures.

When I asked the response was S&W 340 and on the cheaper side 642/442

Isn't that what the TN legislature has been doing debating and ultimately passing this thing in the first place? How do these guys just not get how government is supposed to work?

How come we haven't heard anything on the RFB yet! BTW your daughter in no way looks like you!

Agreed. When you say torture most folks think of racks in medieval castles. That kinda thing, which is what they do to our guys, is not acceptable and one reason they need to be exterminated. What we do is hardly torture.

The girly hoots were very funny!

What is the Air Interdiction Momentum Foundation? BTW that looks like a whole lotta fun!

These kind of open 2a attacks from treaties etc are not the real threat. Those are the ones people see coming. Kinda like a jab that sets up the hook. The real threat is socialized medicine. Once that is in place everything will be health concerns and trying to limit what we do due to supposed "safety" risk. Driving too many miles becomes a health concern, traveling - health concern, where you live - health concern, etc. Guns will be argued health concerns and so circumvent 2a. We can see a little of this in the recent restaurant bill. How many times did we hear public safety and health concern?

Here is the transcript for those who don't click links. The last statement is priceless! And here, for your delectation, is the full transcript of the call I had with the soon-to-be-legendary J.J. McNelis. As another well-known burger chain would probably say, we're lovin' it: Me: How does your company react to this story? McNelis: We've certainly observed what's been going on. A quick answer to what our reaction is would most accurately be described as amusement. Me: Why do you say that? McNelis: It's pretty amusing the amount of fervour that some of the people bring to their arguments on this issue. Me: People who believe in global warming? McNelis: No, people on all sides. Me: Where did these signs come from? Was it the managers in each restaurant that put them up? McNelis: I don't have those details. Me: Have they all come down now? McNelis: I think so. It's the best I can tell. Me: BK Corp issued a statement saying that 'global warming is baloney' wasn't their view and that they had asked you to take them down. Is that your understanding of it? McNelis: I can't speak for them. I would think they would run from any form of controversy kinda like cockroaches when the lights get turned on. I'm not aware of any direction that they gave the franchisee and I don't think they have the authority to do it. The franchisee can put on a sign whatever he wants. Me: They're saying that within the terms of the franchisee contract it says something along the lines that signs outside a restaurant can't be used to express any political or religious views. McNelis: Well, it maybe a religious belief for some folks, but it's certainly not for the franchisee here and I don't think that it's necessarily political either. But I have to tell you that I don't read the franchise agreement with regularity or else I would have a bad case of insomnia. Me: There have been some comments made about how MIC-owned Burger Kings all have Fox News playing inside them on TV sets. Is that correct? McNelis: I can't say that it's correct. I do know that there are TV sets in a lot of the restaurants. In fact, they very well maybe on Fox News but if you are asking me that's a mandate of some sort I would think that's not true. Me: So your reaction to this whole story that's now gone around the world is bemusement and amusement? McNelis: It certainly shows the power of internet communications and the society we live in, that it would even get played over across the pond. Me: Apparently, it even featured on MSNBC.... McNelis: I heard it even made that Keith Olbermann show which is, gosh, a real coup. A small franchisee over in Memphis, Tennessee, can be the "Worst Person in the World". If that's the case then we've got a pretty good damn thing going. Me: Are you not a fan of the show? McNelis: Well, the technology now allows that anyone with a microphone can make a complete idiot of themselves and I'm sure given the opportunity I might do it myself. No, we don't pay any attention to that. The corollary to the comment I've just made is that obviously this is today's news and tomorrow they'll be talking about something else whether it's what Barack Obama is apologising for over in Cairo, or any other number of things, and we'll look at this in the rear-view mirror and be movin' on. Me: So to clarify, it wasn't MIC policy to put up these signs? It was just down to individual managers in each restaurant? McNelis: I don't know. Sometimes it's like a wild fire in the west – things spread around and all kinds of stuff goes on. But it certainly got some folks' attention. Me: Some people have been telling Memphis papers that they've seen the signs at a dozen or so sites. McNelis: Well, they're 40-odd restaurants in the franchise so that wouldn't surprise me at all. Me: But that suggests that it might have come from some sort of central memo to put these signs up? McNelis: It's kinda like the old movie the Wizard of Oz; there's somebody back there behind the curtain turning the dials or something. I haven't had a chance because I don't have a little dog pulling on it. Me: So, there's wasn't a memo? McNelis: I don't know that. I'm just not privy to that kind of discussion. I grew up in the Watergate era so there may have been some guys in the back room scheming and plotting but I don't think any one is trying to take over the world with this thing. Me: BK Corp are saying that they've demanded that these signs get taken down and that they have now been taken down... McNelis: Burger King can tell me to use my left hand when I scratch my nose instead of my right but that doesn't mean I'm going to use my right. They can say whatever they want. The management team can put the message up there if they want to. It is private property and over here in the US we do have some rights, not withstanding a franchise agreement that I could load a Brinks vehicle with I've got so many of them. By the time the BK lawyers work out how to make that stick we'd be in the year 2020. I don't think the franchisees are particularly concerned about that. BK can bluster all they want about what they can tell the franchisee to do but we have free speech rights in this country so I don't think there's any concerns. Don't come away from this conversation with the impression that the franchisee did anything because the BK Corporation told him he had to. They're only printed words on paper. The contract is only as strong as the ability to enforce it. Some things can be enforced, other things can't. I know BK would like to have you believe they have the authority and the willingness to make us do all kinds of different things, but that's not how the world works. Me: Have you been using these road-side signs for years to display such messages? McNelis: I think that just about any restaurant that gets opened that has the ability to have one of these signs has one as they are used for marketing messages and any number of different things – new promotions, say, or "Happy Birthday George Bush", or "Open Christmas Day". Me: But "Global Warming is Baloney" is certainly a different sort of message, a more political viewpoint? McNelis: I would agree that it's a viewpoint, but not necessarily a political one. But we're not sheeple around here, and while Barack Obama would like to have you believe that no one is entitled to have a view other than his, if someone wants to stand up and say "Global Warming is Baloney", then I'm all for it. It doesn't matter to me, whether I believe in it or not. They have first amendment rights to say whatever's on their mind. And nobody dictates otherwise.

already posted here. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/22406-new-national-poll-vote.html

I find this one pretty darn cool!

Oh it's pretty cut and dried...... the government needs to leave them alone and let them run their business according to market demands. That includes the unions, cafe standards, etc.

and there you go! I knew I could get it all mixed up.

Gotta love the way they post the question: "Gun Laws Soften Despite Violence More than 11,500 are murdered with guns each year. What do you think?" Biased.....nooooooo!

There are a few threads that cover this in great detail. Mostly concerning the court cases in OK IIRC. I can't find it but I thought the ruling was that your vehicle is personal property even on someone else's property and thus protected under the constitution from unreasonable search and seizure? Of course we are in a no fault work state so they could fire you iregardless unless there are contract issues. It gets complicated my friend.