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On some of the other threads folks were saying you could find 340's in the 450-550 range used. I haven't seen that personally so I can't say but the 642 and 442 definitley fit your figures.

When I asked the response was S&W 340 and on the cheaper side 642/442

Isn't that what the TN legislature has been doing debating and ultimately passing this thing in the first place? How do these guys just not get how government is supposed to work?

How come we haven't heard anything on the RFB yet! BTW your daughter in no way looks like you!

Agreed. When you say torture most folks think of racks in medieval castles. That kinda thing, which is what they do to our guys, is not acceptable and one reason they need to be exterminated. What we do is hardly torture.

The girly hoots were very funny!

What is the Air Interdiction Momentum Foundation? BTW that looks like a whole lotta fun!

These kind of open 2a attacks from treaties etc are not the real threat. Those are the ones people see coming. Kinda like a jab that sets up the hook. The real threat is socialized medicine. Once that is in place everything will be health concerns and trying to limit what we do due to supposed "safety" risk. Driving too many miles becomes a health concern, traveling - health concern, where you live - health concern, etc. Guns will be argued health concerns and so circumvent 2a. We can see a little of this in the recent restaurant bill. How many times did we hear public safety and health concern?

Here is the transcript for those who don't click links. The last statement is priceless! And here, for your delectation, is the full transcript of the call I had with the soon-to-be-legendary J.J. McNelis. As another well-known burger chain would probably say, we're lovin' it: Me: How does your company react to this story? McNelis: We've certainly observed what's been going on. A quick answer to what our reaction is would most accurately be described as amusement. Me: Why do you say that? McNelis: It's pretty amusing the amount of fervour that some of the people bring to their arguments on this issue. Me: People who believe in global warming? McNelis: No, people on all sides. Me: Where did these signs come from? Was it the managers in each restaurant that put them up? McNelis: I don't have those details. Me: Have they all come down now? McNelis: I think so. It's the best I can tell. Me: BK Corp issued a statement saying that 'global warming is baloney' wasn't their view and that they had asked you to take them down. Is that your understanding of it? McNelis: I can't speak for them. I would think they would run from any form of controversy kinda like cockroaches when the lights get turned on. I'm not aware of any direction that they gave the franchisee and I don't think they have the authority to do it. The franchisee can put on a sign whatever he wants. Me: They're saying that within the terms of the franchisee contract it says something along the lines that signs outside a restaurant can't be used to express any political or religious views. McNelis: Well, it maybe a religious belief for some folks, but it's certainly not for the franchisee here and I don't think that it's necessarily political either. But I have to tell you that I don't read the franchise agreement with regularity or else I would have a bad case of insomnia. Me: There have been some comments made about how MIC-owned Burger Kings all have Fox News playing inside them on TV sets. Is that correct? McNelis: I can't say that it's correct. I do know that there are TV sets in a lot of the restaurants. In fact, they very well maybe on Fox News but if you are asking me that's a mandate of some sort I would think that's not true. Me: So your reaction to this whole story that's now gone around the world is bemusement and amusement? McNelis: It certainly shows the power of internet communications and the society we live in, that it would even get played over across the pond. Me: Apparently, it even featured on MSNBC.... McNelis: I heard it even made that Keith Olbermann show which is, gosh, a real coup. A small franchisee over in Memphis, Tennessee, can be the "Worst Person in the World". If that's the case then we've got a pretty good damn thing going. Me: Are you not a fan of the show? McNelis: Well, the technology now allows that anyone with a microphone can make a complete idiot of themselves and I'm sure given the opportunity I might do it myself. No, we don't pay any attention to that. The corollary to the comment I've just made is that obviously this is today's news and tomorrow they'll be talking about something else whether it's what Barack Obama is apologising for over in Cairo, or any other number of things, and we'll look at this in the rear-view mirror and be movin' on. Me: So to clarify, it wasn't MIC policy to put up these signs? It was just down to individual managers in each restaurant? McNelis: I don't know. Sometimes it's like a wild fire in the west – things spread around and all kinds of stuff goes on. But it certainly got some folks' attention. Me: Some people have been telling Memphis papers that they've seen the signs at a dozen or so sites. McNelis: Well, they're 40-odd restaurants in the franchise so that wouldn't surprise me at all. Me: But that suggests that it might have come from some sort of central memo to put these signs up? McNelis: It's kinda like the old movie the Wizard of Oz; there's somebody back there behind the curtain turning the dials or something. I haven't had a chance because I don't have a little dog pulling on it. Me: So, there's wasn't a memo? McNelis: I don't know that. I'm just not privy to that kind of discussion. I grew up in the Watergate era so there may have been some guys in the back room scheming and plotting but I don't think any one is trying to take over the world with this thing. Me: BK Corp are saying that they've demanded that these signs get taken down and that they have now been taken down... McNelis: Burger King can tell me to use my left hand when I scratch my nose instead of my right but that doesn't mean I'm going to use my right. They can say whatever they want. The management team can put the message up there if they want to. It is private property and over here in the US we do have some rights, not withstanding a franchise agreement that I could load a Brinks vehicle with I've got so many of them. By the time the BK lawyers work out how to make that stick we'd be in the year 2020. I don't think the franchisees are particularly concerned about that. BK can bluster all they want about what they can tell the franchisee to do but we have free speech rights in this country so I don't think there's any concerns. Don't come away from this conversation with the impression that the franchisee did anything because the BK Corporation told him he had to. They're only printed words on paper. The contract is only as strong as the ability to enforce it. Some things can be enforced, other things can't. I know BK would like to have you believe they have the authority and the willingness to make us do all kinds of different things, but that's not how the world works. Me: Have you been using these road-side signs for years to display such messages? McNelis: I think that just about any restaurant that gets opened that has the ability to have one of these signs has one as they are used for marketing messages and any number of different things – new promotions, say, or "Happy Birthday George Bush", or "Open Christmas Day". Me: But "Global Warming is Baloney" is certainly a different sort of message, a more political viewpoint? McNelis: I would agree that it's a viewpoint, but not necessarily a political one. But we're not sheeple around here, and while Barack Obama would like to have you believe that no one is entitled to have a view other than his, if someone wants to stand up and say "Global Warming is Baloney", then I'm all for it. It doesn't matter to me, whether I believe in it or not. They have first amendment rights to say whatever's on their mind. And nobody dictates otherwise.

already posted here. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/22406-new-national-poll-vote.html

I find this one pretty darn cool!

Oh it's pretty cut and dried...... the government needs to leave them alone and let them run their business according to market demands. That includes the unions, cafe standards, etc.

and there you go! I knew I could get it all mixed up.

Gotta love the way they post the question: "Gun Laws Soften Despite Violence More than 11,500 are murdered with guns each year. What do you think?" Biased.....nooooooo!

There are a few threads that cover this in great detail. Mostly concerning the court cases in OK IIRC. I can't find it but I thought the ruling was that your vehicle is personal property even on someone else's property and thus protected under the constitution from unreasonable search and seizure? Of course we are in a no fault work state so they could fire you iregardless unless there are contract issues. It gets complicated my friend.

BTW building something nobody wants is worse than sitting on inventory nobody wants.

and the merger would mean a momentary resuming of production until it all falls apart....... indefinitely? Maybe the auto industry need to get its eyes checked. hmmm?

Morally justifiable? Morally required. Freedom is allowed so that the betterment of mankind can be decided by men. the consequences of a person/buisness actions is huge. You make good decisions you're rewarded. You make bad decisions, you are punished. It is much more effective to punish/reward in society by society as opposed to an unjust political system that is easily bent towards corruption. Is it any different for a person not to eat at a restaurant that serves awful food? According to your thinking, it is wrong to "protest" a restaurant solely on their decision/freedom to cook how they want.

2005 Ford Explorer. Got a great deal on it.

This thread has drifted to all kinds of wrong!

Personally i don't care. Our place isn't the type of place that is going to see any difference. I don't think OC is the best thing for a myriad of reason's that have been debated before, just saying that making restaurants the battle ground probably doesn't give us the most leverage for future battles. I see restaurants as a battle (an important one no doubt) within the larger war for personal freedom and constitutionality.

As a member of a family in the fine dinning business, I gotta agree with the OP. It is similar to someone drawing attention to themselves politically or any other way. we want folks to be able to come and enjoy their experience the way they envision it. Not the way others would want to subject them to. We have a lot of the capitol hill folks (Yes, even those I can't stand and we rail on here) and I have small talked with them and enjoyed their company for the most part. They don't carry their poltics OC and everything is fine. I'm not advocating compramise, just saying their are places to fight and places to just be people. Restraunts aren't the best place to fight for constitutional rights....... Especially since we are presently winning!

I know there are some here who know exactly what that could be (BTW IDWK!) but I can't even imagine a scenario in which all those details could be enjoyable. I can't even see a murder situation that could be constructed that way.

It's been awhile, but I think all it takes is a semi auto trigger group, and semi safety lever. The problem is that the FA will have the third hole already drilled which is a huge problem with the ATF. Once that hole is there it drop in TG and play. I assume you could weld the hole and be alright. I know some of the Saiga's come with the pattern X already pressed but not drilled and a lot of guys covet those.

Thanks. It was INXS lead singer. Mental lapse there.