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In know y'all are having fun but seriously - blaming wars on religion is like blaming guns for murder. They are simply tools that have been misused by people with ill intent.

When I had to use it I paid the cash price which was generally 1/3 of the billed price. I much preferred it that way. I'm not sure how they billed the insurance company but I know it was also cheaper for them. My plan was the same as any other insurance plan in that I paid 20% and they paid 80% up to a preset limit. What I like about it was that even if the insurance company wouldn't cover something, I could still use my HSA card like a pre-paid credit card and negotiate on the cash price. I don't know why everyone, except frequent users, don't have this kind of plan. You can also pick which bank you want to use to find the best interest rate. Very convenient.

Get an HSA. Then put back the limit if you can. If he doesn't use it he can withdraw the funds plus interest tax free at 65. Should run around $70-$95 a month. Best way to go for younger foks. Now the diabetes thing I'm unfamiliar with. or he can just get on the Obama plan. I hear it is the BEST!

So what you are saying is that everyone is wrong which makes you right. Or at least more right? Just poking at you Jaime. To those I disagree with on this subject, know that what you believe is between you and what is right. I take no offense at being challenged nor do I intend to personally offend. I just like the exercise.

Supposedly a persons beliefs shouldn't affect interpretation.

Just using your quote as thought starter. Why is it people are so worried about "bible" people abusing the laws, when it is exactly the opposite. The dilution of the penal code, abortion laws, death penalty removal, stripping of states rights, etc. all stemmed from agnostic/atheist activism. Not the other way around.

According to the scripture God has written the law on our hearts. Makes sense that there would generally be commonality among base beliefs. Exactly what would that look like. "Religion" as you say is simply a way for us to express in a identifiable context who we are. There is no such thing as a person with no belief. Atheist, agnostics, etc. are just as ardent if not more so in their "beliefs" than the so called religious people they oppose.

I hear what your saying and for the most part, in theory, agree but would you concede that it makes a difference if the person is of a belief diametrically opposed to the foundation of the law? Religion aside, this is what has brought us to the brink of socialism as it is. Activist judges "creating" new law outside of the framers intent and base.

Exactly how do you accurately interpret the law when it was/is written and based in Judeo Christian morality/ethic? It's like asking a Muslim to be you Baptist preacher. You're just not going to get it very accurate no matter how "good" a guy he/she is. For those who will argue the law is/was not based on the above, I would say you have the same problem socialist have. No recognition of history or truth.

Just got a few of the Korean H&K clone mags and I gotta say I'm impressed. The fit and finish are beautiful and I can't really tell a difference between the H&K's and these. They haven't been to the range yet, but in dry runs they work well in my MSAR STG E4. Cope's has them for $6.99 so I figured I couldn't go wrong. I will say that like the H&K mags they are heavy. Quite a bit heavier than my PMags, but I think I kinda like that as opposed to the cheap feeling Al AR mags. I've heard of some folks having BHO issues in AR's but they work fine in my E4 stock. I had a bunch of the G19 mags (when I had a G19) and they were on par with Glock factory mags. Anyway anyone else have any experience with these?

I really want a CRKT Ultima! Amazon.com: Columbia River Knife and Tool 2115 Ultima 5-Inch Razor-Edge Fixed Blade Knife, Black/Grey: Home Improvement

I thought that's what we've been talking about. Never mind.

Found it! http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/2134-trader-rating.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/7376-need-buyer-feedback-forum.html

Yeah we had it briefly where it showed under you avatar/name stuff. Didn't last long. It went away due to software upgrades or something of the like. Am i just dreaming this?

We had it briefly and then it went away. I guess David could say why, but IIRC it had something to do with over complicating the software.

Good idea.

Unless you are just desperate for money, I wouldn't sell it to a gun store. You won't get very much for your gun. I'd keep it or sell it FTF. IIRC you can sell a gun FTF as long as you aren't the buyer. The stipulation is on the buyer not the seller.

Ah, that's a lot of money. I guess I confused some of your post with the other guys talking about PVC/heat gun oven stuff. I think I'll stick with letting someone else do it for me. I'd have to refinish a LOT of guns to recoup that. Thanks.

Do these people not actually study the history of Latin America? evidently not or they would see that all these "revolutions" have lead to nothing but economic disaster and blood shed on their own people. None so blind is he who refuses to see.

Hydrashok in and of itself is a very outdated bullet. It clogs pretty badly form everything I've read. It was cutting edge 20 yrs ago but has since been surpassed. Not that it's bad, but there are better rounds out there. The speed of technology is kinda why these discussions never end. 147g used to have problems due to low velocity, but it appears the manufactures have overcome those deficiencies. This is the same reason you still get guys who will swear up and down the 9mm is vastly inferior to a .45. They are basing it on military studies of FMJ from WWI.

Thanks for the input Phantom. I'd been reading about makeshift ovens and other equipment and it started looking like it would all add up pretty quick, even using some of the cheaper options available. I was just curious what it all took and what it would cost. Looks like it would be better and cheaper to get someone like yourself with all the equipment and experience already in place to do it. Especially just for an AK every now and then. I figured I could do all the painting and curing, but the sandblasting and parking is totally foreign to me. BTW - I'm in no hurry. My Saiga is down with Red Jacket getting the front end worked over. He said he'd do it for $125 (blast, park, and paint) which is starting to look like a pretty good deal. I just thought I might like to try it if it didn't cost too much for the start up.

So who exactly would qualify for input then? Very few LE have FH knowledge and then it is only the department round. Military can't say becasue they have zero FH experience with modern hollowpoint design. so we are left with gelatin test and reports in which we all have access to. So I guess you could say we who have internet hyperbole, gunrags, and LE data have the only real data available. However the few FH accounts we have discounts your "nothing is better than JHP in .45 auto." Marshall and Sanow/Fairbairn and Sykes addressed that many many years ago.

Only 489K!

I said best, cheapest possible. I then said which is more cost effective DIY or having someone do it for me, but thanks for the help? Since some equate good with the highest price what kinda of money is one looking at for the necessary equipment and which coating is best. IIRC David, you didn't start with high end professional equipment. So is it worth it to go that route for one gun or not. I didn't think my question was so unclear. Maybe i should get Bonneyman to rule it vague.

I searched through and found threads and many of the various aspects of refinishing, but if I wanted to DIY what would I need from start to finish? I'm talking about a Saiga AK in a simple satin black. Gunkote, Cerakote, Molyresin, tools, equip, cost? Anyone local want to do it for me? BTW I want the best, cheapest possible. If it's cheaper to DIY I will. If it is more cost effective to have someone else do it I'd rather do that. The shops I know and have done things in the past run $90-$120.