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True but other precedent are often used to interpret uncharted territory and there is a very LONG list of precedent if there ever were a test case. Again, it doesn't matter to me but some folks get all worked up about the letter of the law and forget their is a whole other side called application. Application tends to be much more broad and few have the resources to push the law back to the letter in small cases as this would be.

Argue the letter all you want. I carry in those places, but I'm not under the misguided premise that the letter of the law will defend me. We are talking about a very specific niche, being restaurant patios/deck ect., and I can tell you as a person who's family owns a place downtown with just such accommodations and who has dealt with the police in downtown Nashville on numerous occasions about these issues (sans gun related ones) I will tell you, LE sees them no different. You will more than likely have to argue your case in a court of law where I believe you will find very little sympathy or lenience. Now it will probably bee seen different in Brentwood, Gallatin, etc. but in downtown Nashville that is how I believe it would be enforced. Just saying.

Absolutely agree, however Obama has taken a few eyebrow raising "true" vactions that few others have. It's kinda puzzling to me. That being said I see this issue as the zoo moneys throwing poo at each other.

Not sure about that, but we have had more than few vagrants and others hauled off for other offenses in our courtyard downtown. Again the weapons issue is a little different but most LE we've encountered interpret it that way and I don't see it being too much of a stretch for this issue to be much different. There is a difference between the letter of the law and the one that's enforced.

I think smoking at 2 is the least of their problems.

Not exactly. The ABC considers patios/decks part of the confines of the restaurant, whether enclosed or not, for licensing purposes as does insurance etc. Codes and other city governing agencies also consider them part of the confines of the restaurant when inspecting or administering the law. LE also considers them within the confines (at least downtown) when enforcing trespassing, public intoxication, ect. I doubt in court that this one exception would be seen differently in the interpretation.

I agree it's a nitpick point, but it was a non-issue with Bush because, well ..... it was a non issue. If you check most of Bush's so-called vacations (only called that recently when trying to defend Obama BTW) were to Camp David or Crawford. On those trips nearly all of them were in conjunction with government officials, other foreign dignitaries, or meetings. Clinton did the same thing, but (gasp) were treated as diplomatic trips as opposed to vacations. Again I agree there are far more important Obama problems than this, but it is indicative of his narcissism.

I don't think using the Annenburg's project factcheck.org is the most reliable source. The problem is Obama calls them one thing while he's doing another. Kinda like all those CEO's who claim golf outing as work trips.

Battle Ax. The Heman kind! Seriously though a real Japanese Katana.

Actor? Actress: Catherine Zeta Jones, Selma Hayek, Meg Ryan (earlier years) .

...... or is it?

First, the only arresting powers they have is a citizen arrest for observed felonies (same as anyone) even a license guard is limited to this law. If they were licensed guards they would have known that. Secondly policies are not laws and as such are only enforcible if a person refuses to comply with legal policies. If they refuse, the police would have to be called for disorderly conduct. If they physically detain a person, except for an observed felony, THEY should be charged with kidnapping/criminal detainment. Again all basics in the guard license course. If they forcibly put their hands on you except in self defense it is assault. These idiots are treading on thin ice and sound like it's about to break. I guarantee you they will be very surprised when they land in jail.

Who could've seen this coming? Maybe if we just act like it's not there and tell people it's actually opposite of what's really happening it will all go away.

I guess when your approval rating hit 42% you gotta do something.

Voodoo Tactical has them.

But even an arrest can be detrimental to a lot of people. We live in a day and age where it is the charge not the conviction that carries the intial weight and unfortunately that weight carries a lot of momentum. I can tell you as a Pastor if I were arrested for a DUI (even though I have never had one drink in my life) there wold always be that hung over me. Now that is an extreme example, but many would be in a similar boat. I agree on the second part that when politics gets involved bad things happen. Thanks Serpas.

Problem is that other jobs don't give people criminal records that impact the rest of their life. Sounds like a good argument but they are worlds apart. It's like equating the presidents job with the guy who runs the Mapco on the corner. As for the rest if you can't do you job of a LEO without quotas, you don't need to be a LE. Not having "anything to do" should be the goal of the job not the exception. It's like in private security. The less that happens the better you are doing.

It won't after the veto, right?

Same thing for me on my first 2 XD9's. Best thing that helped me was learning how to use the reset technique. Meaning Keep the trigger pressed after the first shot till you are back on target then let it out just enough to reset then pull again. It will keep you from over fingering the trigger. However, it will speed you up quite a bit. I also had trigger jobs from Springer and the Powder River drop-ins that made a big difference as well on the reset.

If you want to bump up the finish a little send it to this guy. He does good work and it's only $30. slideoffer Here's the one I had.

I take it you know the guy?

It's really easy now. Anything with the words or just the circle slash is a no-go. I think it's the proverbial two forward one back. I just hope the next to forward address this.

These showed up at work tonight. Sorry for the crappy pics, but it's all I had. All three are owned by Indian doctors living in Kentucky. Tell me the American dream is dead. BTW - Drivers: middle aged balding guys Passengers: tall, hot wives. Who'd have thunk it! Don't know my cars , but this was a Mercedes V12?

That can't be good.