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Lol I suggest you get while the getting is good. Your "survey" wreaks of vagueness

[quote name="dcloudy777" post="1144896" timestamp="1398963717"]Every time I shoot one it just makes me appreciate my P7, 1911s, and CZs even more. :pleased:[/quote] Well, there's one in every crowd

[quote name="monkeylizard" post="1144852" timestamp="1398958319"]Careful.....a G26 has a way of spawning and adding a G19 to your collection when you're not looking[/quote] Then you find yourself after a 17. Ask me how I know

Congrats, and welcome to the Glock owners club. My Glocks are just like a shovels to me and don't get treated much better, but they never fail me. What was going on with your kahr if you don't mind me asking? I'm a kahr fan too

Hmm, I'd still like to have one. Maybe this would be the ticket on top of the railed 22/45 I've been wanting

[quote name="sigequinox" post="1144470" timestamp="1398871033"]That's why I choose to never have one in the chamber. I always rack the slide 3 times with an empty mag regardless, but you can never be too safe[/quote] And that's fine, that's your personal decision. Just understand that when using your weapon for defensive purposes you are REACTING to another persons actions and will already be behind the person that is attacking you. Racking that slide will only put you further behind unless you have practiced enough that you can do it in the same amount of time it takes to draw/shoot. I won't get into you having to leave guns unloaded to make sure they're unloaded in your home, simply because I can't understand that logic

While I realize that everyone's individual plan for protecting their own home is their own business, I'd be remiss if I didn't at least ask you guys that don't keep your firearms loaded (yes, one in the chamber ) to reconsider. If you honestly believe you'll have the presence of mind to ready that weapon in an adrenaline fueled panic after your door is broken down, you sorely overestimate yourself. Why put yourself at a disadvantage? That "slide racking" sound is not a deterrent, the projectile that comes out of the muzzle is. My opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it, but I feel better that I've said it. For me personally, if I have a weapon out of my safe and in a defensive roll, it has a round in the chamber. I want every possible advantage I can get over that person that wishes to do me or my family harm

[quote name="vontar" post="1143928" timestamp="1398732589"]I should have been more clear. I meant on the parts kits. Firefox ate my first post and I had to retype it and left that out I guess. I have enough uppers and lowers. Just need the other parts.[/quote] Ah, sorry. If I had been using my noggin I would've seen that. I've used two. Honestly one of the triggers is just meh okay. The other, is the best trigger I've ever felt come out of a parts kit. I've heard several others attest to the latter as well

[quote name="vontar" post="1143923" timestamp="1398732183"] Second, quality good on these? serious question, I don't know.[/quote] Yes sir. I've had 3 (I believe) of their lowers and several uppers. My uppers were only marked "blemished" because they didn't get the PSA logo stamp. Never had a problem from anything PSA branded

[quote name="broox" post="1143609" timestamp="1398658566"]This thread was the nudge I needed. I ordered a few more FDE pmags today From Palmetto State Armory. I have never bought anything from them, but have read many good things about them.[/quote] As long as you aren't in a hurry, you'll be fine. People give PSA flack about their shipping times, yet you never hear them complain about their prices. Can't have both, imo.

I personally fired this comp on a buddy's 10.5" yesterday and loved it [url="https://www.primaryarms.com/PWS-CQB-Compensator-223-1-2x28-p/3cqb12a1.htm"]https://www.primaryarms.com/PWS-CQB-Compensator-223-1-2x28-p/3cqb12a1.htm[/url] But it's more expensive than the Noveske, and I can't say it was THAT much better. So I think my vote is still with the KX3 or 5

I think you're on the right track with that link. I've ran the Noveske pig on a few builds and it seemed to work well, as should the one you linked. I've heard good things about the Kaw Valley Precision unit as well. As far as concussion, with the flaming pig on the end of my 7.5" I couldn't tell a big difference while I was behind the gun, and people to your sides won't either. There is a big decibel difference the shorter the barrel gets though, at least in my experience. I wouldn't make a big deal of it, really

I've sold a couple myself, but never on craigslist. For example right now I'm sitting on a $150 one to Sperry's (nice steak place) that one of the MDs I work with got me and the wife back at Christmas. Haven't used it, likely never will. I might end up selling it off just to get some free cash

Yeah you'd definitely have to watch your P's and Q's on what you bought (we should anyway) but I really would like to save some guns from a buy back one day. Like OS, I would think you'd have more fuss out of the local LEO's

[quote name="TripleDigitRide" post="1143156" timestamp="1398561086"] Someone said he others went to this gun buy back today, and were told by local police that the ATF would arrest them for buying guns that were originally headed to the buy back program [/quote] I'm just stupid enough I might have made them show me. Yeah, stupid

[quote name="TripleDigitRide" post="1142818" timestamp="1398469173"]I'd suggest saving that money for your own place to live. Then you don't have to worry about what everyone else thinks.[/quote] I'll second this

I've never been asked. Everyone in our family and extended family knows I carry, my wife carries, and my dad carries. Many of them carry as well. I guess I'm lucky, I've never had anyone I've come in contact question why I carry. I guess my answer would have to be something to the tune of "if I'm forced to choose between my life or the life of someone that wishes to do me harm, I'll choose to live every time. Even if that means he dies"

[quote name="wablackhawks" post="1142167" timestamp="1398310745"]I want to stay with a pump (fewer involuntarily moving parts the less room for something to go wrong) and I'd like to stay as close to 12 gauge as possible.[/quote]I'm sorry, but your thinking is flawed. There is more for YOU to do under stress, therefore there are MORE chances of something to go wrong. You believe that under stress you'll have the composure to make sure you don't short stroke that action? Or better yet, that your wife will? I'm not trying to talk down to you at all, but if that statement is your premise for choosing a home defense weapon, it's flawed. Shotguns can be great weapons, but realize what you're getting into One of the better posts in this thread IMO. If you need to consider penetration (close neighbors, or whatever) look into using an AR for home defense. Shotgun rounds like those being discussed here will absolutely take care of the bad guy, and 10 layers or whatever is on the other side of him. To me, the AR is more easily maneuvered, less steps required to get bullet to bad guy, multiple rounds on tap, and a .223 round will not over penetrate as much as most 9mm loads in testing I've seen

[quote name="BrasilNuts" post="1142336" timestamp="1398365626"]I think Magpul will still offer their newest version in various colors, it's just the MOE mags that will go to black only. So you'll still be able to get your color fix.[/quote] I hope this is the case and they aren't getting out of the color game altogether

Yeah....because I can't count the number of times I've looked at my Glocks and thought...what can I do to make them harder to use?!?

[quote name="molonlabetn" post="1142391" timestamp="1398380784"]Oh, that was an incorrect assumption on my part... Outdoor shooting would be great with this sight, only thing is for skeet, etc, sighting instead of point shooting may actually slow you down... Plus it will sit higher than you can see with a proper cheek weld. My guess is this was meant for pistols, the relief through the lens has a sweet spot at arms length.[/quote] Got ya, I see your point. With my raised comb Magpul stock I wouldn't worry as much about the cheek weld, but I'd say you're right on about it slowing you down on skeet and such. Well, there goes that. I wish it had different mounting options, it might be fun to mount to a range pistol.

[quote name="molonlabetn" post="1142378" timestamp="1398378183"]Based on my experience just now, dry clearing my house with no lights on, this sight would be a terrible choice on a home-defense weapon... IMHO.[/quote] Sorry...I didn't mean to mislead. I don't use my 870 for home defense. It's more birds, clays, and water jugs lol. I've been looking at the micro dots, this just seems like a possible better option

Those of you that get them in please share all you can, I'd really be interested in putting this on the 870

Read. Read read read as much as you can. I don't mean that in a negative way, I just mean there is mounds upon mounds of info on the AR platform, even on this site, for someone that wanted to learn. But, to answer your question of where to start I think it's most important that you answer the question of whether you want to build or buy. Right now is a great time to buy an AR and I know about once every couple weeks there will be specials that pop up for a $410ish carbine. Now, that's without any whiz-bang gadgetry, and it's a polymer lower, but you'd have a great place to start and learn the platform. Right now (to me) if you're building an AR it's because you want to, not really for cost effectiveness. I build all of mine because I'm a goober that loves to tinker, but if I were just getting started I'd be snatching up one of those great deals I mentioned and start shooting instead of waiting for parts to come in. If you just want the experience and pride that comes with building one, then by all means I encourage you to do so To your second point: AR's come in two halves; an upper and lower. The upper is the top portion that has your barrel attached and houses your bolt carrier group and charging handle, the lower is the portion that contains your fire control group and is what is considered the actual "firearm". Once you have your complete lower, whether you build or buy it, it's easy to buy an upper assembly that utilizes a different caliber. 300 blackout, for example, can be dropped onto a standard lower and it can utilize the same 223/5.56 magazine. AR's can be built in several different calibers, that's only one example. Whatever you decide to do, if you're really interested in AR's there's a lot of info out there to be read since it's such a popular platform, much more than can be contained in this thread alone.

I carry constantly. If I'm outside my house, I'm carrying. At work, I have to restrict my carry to my backpack that stays in my desk due to my activity. Inside my home I don't "carry" on my person but I keep a firearm beside me on the end table.