DaveS

Good points indeed...but blood evidence doesn't backup Zman's claim.   Dave S

Maybe someone was chasing him or something, I have no Idea.....   Dave

Nothing. The state has to prove he did it, and he has to convince the jury he didn't. He's going to have a hard time because of his credibility (or lack thereof). Ain't that the way it works?   I donated (for personal reasons) to the Justice for Trayvon drive. Ya'll go on in there give Zman yo cash! I gave already at the office and I ain't giving him none! Ya'll can do that! Help the kid out man....   I'm heading down there next month. I'll see ol' George myself. I hope they don't mess me up by changing the trial date!   Dave S

OK, I'm tracking with ya.   Dave

George Zimmerman needs our money! He excepts PAYPAL now. Jump right on it and send him some. He's asking for $30,000.00 a month to live on. OH, and that's not for his attorney fees either.   http://www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com/   Sheezzz, this guy never gives up!   Oh poor poor Zman....   Dave S

Who was a paying resident of the community?   Dave S

I agree with that. The day they showed his video..I said "shut the hell up dude!"   All in all, I think this case will give us all something to think about. All the hell we could go through over (in our opinions) what we think is a good shoot.   Dave

I looked at pictures of Zman pecan after he said TM kept beating his head against the sidewalk. I'm not saying he never got his head cut that way, but years of experience in that field, I just don't see the blood smear and/or splatter on his head that says he repeatedly got his head beat on a sidewalk. Punched in the head or maybe hit with something, maybe his head only hit once or so. But not repeatedly as he contends.   Dave

What was Zimmermans reasonable suspicion or probable cause to investigate this kid? Cannot this be compared to cops investigating a person who is open carrying? Neither was committing a crime.....right? What did Trayvon do to cause Zman to follow him? Walking home? Carrying something in his hands? Wearing a hoodie? What did Zman do to get his butt beat? Answer that question...   When did Trayvon change his clothes before being shot? I will say, that if Trayvon went home, changed clothes and came back outside with his goodies to confront Zman, then he got everything he had coming! But I don't think that is what happened.   Dave S

Here is a picture of Trayvon the defense says was taken just minutes before his death. The hoodie the defense says Trayvon was wearing at the time of his death. So, I am saying that Trayvon ran home, changed clothes, ran back outside still holding his goodies to whoop Zman's azz and got shot. It's very possible TM didn't want to mess up his good clothes with blood. If this is the best the defense can do, I'd want a new lawyer.... Dave S

Voice analyst of the 911 calls Just released information.   SANFORD --  The findings of state audio experts who examined the 911 calls made the night Trayvon Martin was shot and killed were released Tuesday.  In call three, made by a woman who reported seeing the confrontation outside her home, screams can be heard and the audio experts came to different conclusions on who is heard screaming in the background. Forensic Communication Associates in Gainesville examined the 911 call and broke it down scream by scream.  Senior Consultants Harry Hollien and James Harnsberger were given CD’s containing voice recordings of both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin to use for comparison. Hollien and Harnsberger concluded that “only a little over eight seconds of speech was found available for assessment.” They identified 16 samples of screams in that time frame and concluded that screams one and eight were made by Trayvon Martin and screams 14 and 16 were made by George Zimmerman. Another analysis of the call was done by Forensic Acoustics Consultant Alan Reich.  He said his findings show that the cries came from Trayvon Martin. He claims to hear Zimmerman make a seemingly "religious proclamation" saying, "This shall be." The analyst describes the tone as that of an evangelical preacher or a carnival barker. The analyst then reports hearing a higher pitched voice believed to be Trayvon Martin saying, "I'm begging you," which happens simultaneously with speech by the 911 operator and George Zimmerman. In May 2012, Reich was retained by The Washington Post to do the same analysis and came to the same conclusion at that time. Zimmerman’s lead defense attorney Mark O’Mara said the only thing the audio analysis shows is that the recording is not long enough, or good enough quality, to prove anything. “There are two of them, and they seem to be internally inconsistent, because they seem to be saying different things. One witness says he thinks he hears certain things, and another witness says he doesn’t hear that. And none of them can come up with something that is precise … or that is something they can testify with.” O’Mara said since the analysis came out just a month away from the beginning of the trial, he may ask for a delay in the trial so his defense team can have enough time to look at the science that was used to analyze the call.  He also said he plans on challenging those methods used at an evidentiary hearing he has asked for later this month     George Zimmerman's attorney asks for delay of trial George Zimmerman graduation pics among newly released photos Shellie Zimmerman's witness list released Audio experts differ in analysis of Trayvon Martin shooting call George Zimmerman defense wants anonymous jury George Zimmerman lawyers want to take jury to shooting scene Dave                

Something I did not know was that Zman was not on watch duty that night. He was taking a shortcut through the neighborhood on his way to the grocery store when he spotted TM walking down the street and decided to stop and investigate. Interesting...   Dave

This is a pretty good read.   There is some differences between Zman's 911 call and his written statements.   http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/12/new-george-zimmerman-evidence-8-things-you-need-to-know/   Dave

At one time it was mentioned that TM had no right being where he was. He did as his father was visiting his girlfriend. I looked at pictures of the neighborhood where this all come down. Where is the fence and gate to keep people out of this gated community? Can just anyone walk through there?   D

I agree 100% Look at the times he went on tv without his lawyers knowing it to throw his sales pitch. If I was his lawyer, I'd fired him as a client! I'm not saying at all that TM was an angel. This is not about that. This is about was Zman "standing his ground" in fighting/shooting TM. Was TM "standing his ground" when he put the smack down on Zman. That's all this is about to me. I said it months ago on here and I repeat it now. "Had Zman stayed in his truck, we would not be reading this. Most people say Zman was standing his ground. Did not TM have the same right if he felt threatened by Zman? We can all speculate about this and that, but we only have one side of the story to go on. Unfortunately, that side of the story is of questionable character and a liar.   The jury has a tough job ahead of them! Susan Anthony got off in Florida, I guess Zman stands a chance too!   Dave

I am white also. I could care less about the race of the other parties involved here. I'm personally questioning Zmans actions. This whole thing is based on what Zman said, and I for one don't buy half of it. Zmans true colors have come out over the months and I question his character.   Dave S

If TM had his hands full of Zman's head or ears, beating his head against the sidewalk trying to crack it open like a pee'can, how could he be trying to unholster a gun? I know it's possible but I still can't believe a 140 pound kid held down a 250 pound man. Maybe a 250 pound candy azz. There is a lot of Zmans testimony I don't buy!   Dave

Usually charges are filed and/or an arrest made. The case goes to the DA. Then the grand jury. The grand jury hands down the bill. However, the DA may choose not to go that far if he/she feels there is no case or not enough evidence to proceed.   This is "in the nutshell" and not the whole drawn out process.   Dave

Did Zman say this?   Dave

 How is my post from another thread about Trayvon Martin relavent here? Or relavent to religion?   Dave

Good stuff!!   Dave

I seem to remember something like that. I'm looking for the original 911 call to refresh my memory.   Dave

Lets move away from the race issue and discuss the case as intended. We know what colors were involved, lets leave it at that.   Dave

I would agree with the description had Zman not say something about "they always get away". Whos' they?   Dave

I have the feeling that the real "race" problems will come after the trial, and none of us here will be to blame.   Dave