DaveS

We will be there in the fall with our guns for the 150th. We had 2 guns in Nashville yesterday firing at the Springhill Cemetery. We do a lot at the Stones River battle field also. Glad you enjoyed it.   We are recruiting by the way. We have six guns we need to man!   Dave S

It is also one of the cleanest shows on TV. No drugs, No sex, No Murder.....just good clean TV!   Dave S

I don't want one.   Dave S

Donated with some co workers at work. They asked, and I helped. That's all there is to it.   Dave S

What does Zmans record look like? He isn't exactly sherley temple either, and far from law abiding. I have never said either one of them were angels, and both were thugs. I did say, one is dead and one made a mistake. I also said I donated to the Trayvon fund, because Zman isn't getting a dime of my money.   Dave S

It was my understanding he bought the tea for himself and the skittles for his little brother. Who knows...   Dave S

Easy. The same way any volunteer organization and/or your employer can do via policy. Then we either accept it or move on! That's how state laws are over written.   Dave S

Does he travel to Civil War reenactments? I think I know him.   Dave S

How so right you are. It is sad. Remember, community watch is just that...you are the eyes and ears of the community. Unless things go south real fast, you really do not need a firearm.   Dave

Interesting read. Thanks for sharing!   Dave S

I've thought about that myself Dave. You are probably right. I don't see Florida wasting the time or money to retry the case. We'll see...   Dave

I have to agree on the race issue. It seems to me that was and still is a big issue in this case. It is not to me, but look who got involved in the case from the get go. Sharpton, Jackson, Obama....says a lot don't it.   In my opinion, Zman is guilty of something but not 2nd degree murder. I'm sure Florida has it all figured out. Jessie and Al gave them plenty of ideas I'm sure. Should Zman be punished any further? No. He's being punished for the rest of his life now as it is. He learned his lesson I'm sure.   Any punishment given to Zman is going to be based on how many people are standing outside the courthouse holding torches, and how much race is thrown in the jury's face. Remember, that at least half of that jury is going to be black.   Dave S

Right or wrong, Zman will be found guilty on something. He has to be! This case has done gained national attention and certain groups of people are demanding justice! I think President Obama is one of them. Wasn't it him that said if he had a son it would be Trayvon?   Right, wrong, conspiracy theories or otherwise, Zman opened a can of worms on himself! Now he has to deal with it. As sad as it is....   Dave S

They have issues up there for sure! I'm glad I live here....   Dave

Kind of wondering that myself. I thought we WERE having a decent adult discussion for once. At least before it went off track.   Dave S

Since you're not into guns, how did you find this thread? Apparently you're new to TGO....WELCOME! Come on in and stay a while.   Dave S

Zman is already paying his part in that deal! Look at his debt in this "self defense" shooting.   Dave S

What really gets me is one of the reports I read; this incident happened 100 feet from his Dad's fiancé's house. Why did they/he not hear a scuffle (people farther away say they heard screams and the gun shot) or the gun shot. Why did he not know that his teenage son didn't make it home from the store until the next morning, when he reported TM missing? Any father worth his salt would be concerned that a 17 year old didn't come home. Maybe all the police/fire/ems action 100 feet from your house might tell you something. Ya think?   I guess I'm just a caring Dad and knew where my kids were, and then got concerned enough if they didn't show up for hours after what should be about a 30 minute walk to the store, that I'd walked the route looking. I guess that's a rarity now days.   Dave S

You are absolutely right. Key word here..."safe distance". I'm glad you didn't say confront!   Dave S

And nobody wins.... Not even us.   Dave

I watched the videos, and will agree that he has on something gray under the jacket. Is it a hoodie? I don't know. But based on evidence that you presented, I will agree. Good eye on your part. I missed that. But where is the black jacket he had on?   Reports say the scuffle happened about 100 feet from the house. The map shows something slightly different. I believe it's farther than 100 feet.   Dave S

I'm not disputing at all his right to carry, not carry, self defense, stand your ground or anything. I stand on the fact as I have for the past year (go back and check posts on this subject) on other threads, that TM was doing nothing wrong by walking through a neighborhood. Zman surely profiled him and suspected him of something. Zman LEFT his vehicle, even when told not to and took an a** whoop'n over it. Who started it, I have no clue. One is dead because of it.   Zman should have stayed in his truck in my opinion.   It's a mess, and I hope the outcome doesn't affect our decisions to defend ourselves. Zman needs thousands of dollars. He already paid out $40,000.00 for security, being sued by s security guard for 27,000.00 for unpaid fees, and is currently paying $7,000.00 a week for a private body guard. And he still hasn't gotten his bill from his defense team yet. All because he made a bad decision.   I guess when you shoot someone in self defense, it's not over until it's over. I couldn't afford that kind of money. But, I will still defend myself and my family at all cost. Oh yeah, and my little dogs, they are my kids!   And I hope this will not result in some kind of "case law" that will affect every lawful citizens right to defend themselves. We'll have to wait till the dust settles to see how this plays out.   Dave

That's a good question. If what you say is true, where did he ditch the jacket? He didn't have it (according to witnesses) when he was holding Zman to the ground. Witnesses said he was wearing a light colored hoodie. Good observation on your part.   I'll watch the video.   Dave S

Welcome to our discussion. Jump in and hold on!   Where did anyone here say that Zman was doing something wrong by carrying a gun? For some reason that escapes my memory at the moment. I think someone said some watch groups don't encourage it and/or allow it. I'll go back and re read these post.   Dave

And I can't buy the fact that he couldn't throw a 140 pound kid off him, unless he couldn't fight!   Ya'll go read all the complaints filed against Zman over the months by members of "his" community. Being the only member of his "watch group" he took his position just a little too serious!