Oh Shoot

  That does sound high. Last couple times I did handgun I used UPS, but I have account through PayPal and printed my own label, was around the $30 price best I remember. But based on distance of course. I think it might be a bit cheaper than counter price, but not hugely so.   Note that Second Day air is not Overnight, which they require for handguns sent from an individual. Also, if going to a larger population area, there is a secondary cheaper overnight called Next Day Air Saver, just guaranteed by end of biz day. Not available to some places though, only the higher priced spread.   You can also just create shipment and pay on line and print label without an account, plug in the numbers and see what it shows.   If you want to PM me the size and weight and address, I'll plug it in and see what it costs, just to compare what they are quoting you and/or the price you get when you pay on line without an account.   I assume this is going to an FFL? (neither UPS or FedEx will now ship any firearm between non-licensees)   Dude, non FFL/LEA can't ship a handgun through USPS period.   - OS

  Don't think it's just a bot, but yeah,  I can't figure a rational motive for all that effort. Spread out over too much time to be a school project or something.   Plus add even more with this thread topic all over the place too:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/91395-can-you-guy-a-handgun-if-your-spouse-was-convicted-of-a-crime/   - OS

  Pretty elitist view for a libertarian and anarchist who wants to cast off the oppression of authority. Hell, I'm surprised you even believe in state lines. ;)   Maybe he actually visits the zoo once in a while, which would give him a vested self interest in the issue, same as you. Actually,  if he's gone once, he's more vested than me. :)   - OS

  How you gonna see it?   I'd like to see whole thing, as I cut it off to watch Trump on SNL, but wish I hadn't.  It's not available On Demand on Comcast, even as a pay for.   - OS

  Trying to bone up on his role in the thing, but IMDB shows he was played by actor Leon Rippy?   - OS

  Who was Nelson? Or what is a nelson (except for wrestling hold). ?

  Again, look at the ones who say they do use/like PayPal who aren't Benefactors. That was part of my point.   No biggie, it's just that the thread and poll is not a referendum about PayPal per se,  but rather, using it to become a Benefactor.   - OS

Am I the only one who sees the irony of folks opining about this who aren't Benefactors, when method of becoming a Benefactor is subject of thread? Especially the mostly pro-PayPal ones to boot?   - OS

  Push come to shove, that likely wouldn't pass muster in TN, since you can only carry a handgun, which is defined as having less than 12" barrel.     I see no way that could be done.   The pistol-rifle-pistol ruling is for GCA firearms only, the whole basis of the decision based on the fact that no NFA firearm is made doing that. Once you enter NFA realm, the rules change. Taking stock off an SBR simply means you have an SBR without the stock. Even if you take it out of NFA purview, soon as you put a short barrel back on it it's an SBR again, and according to ATF, even if sold as GCA to new owner he can't either. And actually, if short barrel is even "retained", it stays under NFA purview.   Of course, ATF has recently removed much of this detailed info from site, to make it that much harder for folks to be in compliance with what ATF says it will enforce, but I'm sure they haven't changed any of their stances, hence my rant in:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/92086-atf-site-does-it-again/     - OS

  Actually, ATF is indeed efficient, in divulging the minimum they can get away with for public consumption, and even that often cloaked in half truth. They want to keep things as murky as possible, relying on intimidation rather than actual court rulings as settled law.   For example, they have rulings that have never been tested by a conviction in court -- a vertical forward grip on a pistol and firing a braced pistol from the shoulder as two prime examples.   And of course the classic reason they don't even want to test many of their "rules" was the lesson of the Thompson Case in which ATF lost a helluva lot of prosecution power. And the kicker is that they did not acknowledge that publicly in a "ruling" until 2011, even though SCOTUS laid down the law 23 years earlier!   And even still, look at the last question in their "FAQ":   "If a person has a pistol and an attachable shoulder stock, does this constitute possession of an NFA firearm? Yes, unless the barrel of the pistol is at least 16 inches in length (and the overall length of the firearm with stock attached is at least 26 inches). However, certain stocked handguns, such as original semiautomatic Mauser “Broomhandles” and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors’ items."   Which of course is totally not true, even by ATF's own public admission, unless the pistol and stock are possessed in such a manner than only an illegal configuration can be made. And again, that's from SCOTUS, and not subject to ATF regulatory whim.   That's what I mean by their giving partial "information" out, if they make it easily available at all.   In short,  ATF duplicitous and thuggish culture seems to remain alive and well.   - OS

  See link to archived version in my post above.   Hopefully that will stay, but in case you can save main three pages as HTML with FireFox or IE. With IE you can also save in single file MHT format.   However, that doesn't save each individual question link, and the links are also still dependent on Way Back Machine's database, so to be sure, you have to open each question and save that page also. Even though I'm a FireFox user, I prefer the IE .mht format for this, but some of them wouldn't save as MHT files, so you can screen grab them and save as image. I generally save as GIF for that, no compression, full quality and the 256 color limitation isn't an issue with text only.   Anyway, I only saved a few of the ones in which I'm particularly interested as they come up as questions all the time. Such as the one where there is actually no requirement to notify ATF when your NFA config has changed, or even when removing it from NFA purview totally, retention of parts that keep it NFA no matter what you may claim to ATF, etc.   - OS

  Ya reckon?   - OS

  Hillary's prez unless Rubio gets the nomination. He's the only one with a chance to beat her.   Carson is going to be largely regarded as the style over substance that he really is in this arena. Largely the same as Trump with just opposite styles. Plus he's a bit "tetched" in my view besides.   - OS

Little seen film, Marie (or Marie: The True Story), is on TCM tonight at 10:15.   This is the deal about how Ray Blanton was brought down in the parole part of the corruption scandal, with Fred actually playing himself -- he was Marie Ragghianti's, real attorney at the time, and this was how his acting career began.   Problem is, I want to see Trump on SNL too.Maybe I'll just catch that with On Demand another time, as I don't see any listings for the movie again anytime soon.   I've never seen this flick, but rated 6.7 on IMDB and Ebert gave it three stars:   http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/marie-a-true-story-1985   And a part of TN history.   - OS

Here's example, just with the NFA part:   The new pages:   https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/national-firearms-act-nfa 2 pages, 31 Q/A   Here's before the changes, from The WayBack Machine, from just over a month ago. (can be slow at times)   https://web.archive.org/web/20150905072948/https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/national-firearms-act-nfa 3 pages, 69 Q/A   LOTS more info, much longer.   And of course the one FAQ entry about possessing pistol with a butt stock is so incomplete that it's actually wrong for all practical purposes. ATF is a master of that.   - OS

I was going to respond in another thread in this section, but in keeping with its culture of obfuscation, just noticed that ATF website has been totally "revised" again.   Meaning, lots of the FAQs that were previously there have been severely abridged, and all the links I had saved now either are dead, or point to the much more incomplete ones now.   Notably, the main NFA FAQ used to be three times longer, and even what is there is only partially correct, as in "true but incomplete" as far as the answers.   A few of the more detailed Q/A I had pasted as text files are simply omitted now, so you can no longer point to them. Case in point was about notification about removing firearms from NFA purview either temporarily or permanently, retention of parts preventing that, etc.   They seem to do this sort of thing every couple or three years for no good reason other than make everyone's links invalid, and also simply zap information that was previously there.   Good ole ATF, not only doing badly what need not be done at all, but keeping folks in the dark about just what the law is to boot, or even their take on it anyway.   - OS

  Seems obvious to me the local DA conceded that he was justified in firing the shot, or would have indeed charged him with a state charge.   I can't explain the chicken :poop: local charge, except that it seems to indicate that the DA wanted to charge him with whatever he could and that's the best he could cough up. Then again, this may have just been the police chief's initial charge or something that same night, no idea how this stuff works on that local level. Perhaps this charge will be dropped, perhaps a state charge will still be applied, who knows?   But it's fairly moot, since the aggressor was charged with aggravated assault, which by definition not only entails behavior that "intentionally or knowingly causes another to reasonably fear imminent bodily injury" but also included "use or display of a deadly weapon" -- so if that charge remains, seems that alone could be seen as justification for deadly force on the part of the defender, even though I contend he did not use deadly force, as it simply doesn't rise to the definition of such.     Read the legal definition of deadly force in Tennessee law again.     C'mon, police departments are uber conscious of liability, and that's the main reason for that.   - OS

  So that's the only reason you're not a Benefactor, right?   - OS

  Some are not inclined to flee from their own property.  You can reverse quarterback the whole thing from first contact, and we don't even know if the guy knew he was being followed home -- but either way, once the guy was at home, I can certainly empathize with his standing his ground myself.   - OS

  Was there any audio the first 3 or 4 times?   Here, nothing but "child abduction notice" or some such at bottom  of screen.   - OS

  "I'm done with them" = "I'll still use them". Got it. ;)   - OS

  Well, certainly, turn out from the right could lose the election.   And it is a fact that the Dems generally get the vote out for presidental elections more so than does the GOP. Opposite is true for the midterms though, one reason the GOP does as well as it does in House and Senate.   - OS

  How did you pay for your Benefactor status?   - OS

  You don't have to have a PayPal account to pay with plastic through it.   - OS

  Though I gave a like, that oft touted "fact" by the right is simply not supported by the data as the difference in the election.   Indeed BHO got almost 4 million votes less than in '08, and Mitt got a million more than did McCain for just one thing, so I'm not sure where these phantom 3 million GOP votes are. And even if they did exist and were cast, the way they would have been spread around proportionally couldn't have changed more than one state, which wouldn't have been enough regardless.   Seems the data suggests that the biggest diff was in all the traditional Dem voters that stayed home.   - OS