Oh Shoot

"39-11-106(34) "Serious bodily injury" means bodily injury that involves: (A) A substantial risk of death; ( Protracted unconsciousness; © Extreme physical pain; (D) Protracted or obvious disfigurement; (E) Protracted loss or substantial impairment of a function of a bodily member, organ or mental faculty; or (F) A broken bone of a child who is eight (8) years of age or less;" - OS

What does that permit get you in VA that a TN permit doesn't? - OS

Jumping Jehoshaphat, it's not the law anymore! Actually, it was never an exactly "written" law. It was just that licensed concealed carry was banned in bars, but that statute only mentioned the concealed part. It was really more of an unintended loophole. And even if it were still the law, I don't think it compares to TN -- facing 11/29 and a hefty fine for having one sip of a drink in a restaurant while carrying, the same penalty for being dead drunk while carrying elsewhere. Or a $500 fine and possible loss of permit for simply carrying past a sign. Now, those are stupid laws. - OS edit: sorry for the echo, damn slow dialup still!

I've said since the Tea Party's inception that it would be diluted and absorbed by the GOP and would need to become its own third party if it were to have any long term significant influence -- I see no reason to change that opinion so far. I admit that it "sort of" had an influence on the debt ceiling issue, stalling all progress for awhile, but look what came out of that -- the "super committee", one of the absolute worst ideas ever to emerge from the Hill, which is saying a lot. - OS

Plastic follower? May be cocked or even cracked or something. Happens to the ones in Rem 870s once in a while. - OS

No longer the law in VA. Also, unlike TN, as I understand it, signage in VA has no force of law -- it is not an immediate crime to carry past a sign in VA as it is in TN. So in that regard, VA carriers may say it's one more reason to be glad they don't live in TN. That and the fact you can open carry in VA without a permit, so they have at least partial constitutional carry, something else we don't have here. - OS

Flattered but.... Most hypothetical scenarios are quite gray. Will always come down to: were you in reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury for yourself or those you defend? Just as importantly, will a LEO think so? If he doesn't, will the DA? If he doesn't, will a jury? - OS

Hubba hubba, va va voom, and oo la la! Actually, we're already closer to the End of the World than you are. I've found that to be too salty in my past experiences with that. Throw some distiller plans into the toothpaste stash. - OS

Virginia used to have law against concealed carry in places that sold booze for consumption, but open carry was okay. They called it the "Virginia Tuck" to expose your firearm on entry, as in, tuck your shirt behind gun to show it. That's probably where his misinformed advice came from. - OS

Well, in the big metro counties anyway. - OS

Nope. "39-17-1322. Defenses. A person shall not be charged with or convicted of a violation under this part if the person possessed, displayed or employed a handgun in justifiable self-defense or in justifiable defense of another during the commission of a crime in which that person or the other person defended was a victim." "This part" is the entire weapons law section. - OS edit: FG beat me. I'm on dialup this week.

If the sheriff gets an eviction order from the court, he's obliged to act on it. HE won't be judging the reason for it. - OS

Don't see why not. With loaded mag too, if you have HCP. Sort of the ultimate open carry though, be prepared to be stopped a lot to check you out. - OS

2A activists are now beginning to organize open carry of (unloaded) long gun events; which will probably be addressed by another law to prevent that, too. But they hope that all this will lead to getting the carry permit law changed to "shall issue", probably the best they can hope for. - OS

Geezette I believe is the proper nomenclature. - OS

Monarch .223 from Academy is still lacquer coated, the only currently manufactured Russian stuff I still see that is. But my Mini14s like it fine. 'Bout same price as the polymer coated Tula from Wally's though. Just that they generally always have it in stock unlike Wally, which may be hit or miss. - OS

Yes, there are a couple of federal precedents, one in California also, but they had to do with public housing, ie run with public funds. But none ever to my knowledge that overrode privately owned rental housing. Contract law is very strong in most states and the federal government has generally respected it also, short of it containing anything unconstitutional. And we all know that "the shall not be infringed" part of 2A is not considered unconstitutional when it IS infringed, since the federal government is a primary infringer. One interesting niche situation I can think of in all this, concerns privately owned apartment complexes that do accept public assistance monies for rent, but also allow tenants to live there who pay their own way. Like the odd complex in which I live. (although firearms are not mentioned in the lease). - OS

Safer, really. You could be charged with unlawful carry of a bat, tire iron, or hammer, depending. - OS

The two reasons most here have opined that it must be unloaded is because of the paragraph right before the one you quoted, where you can not have a firearm with intent to go armed at all. The only difference between the two paragraphs is (1)the "intent to go armed" clause, and (2) no mention of HCP in the paragraph you quoted. Since the only way to possess the firearm in the car anywhere without an HCP is to have it unloaded, I'd say that's the intent of this admittedly gray part of the statute. - OS

Yeah, the okay for "non student adult" to keep gun in car on campus is generally interpreted as needing to be unloaded and stored in same way as for someone without an HCP. - OS

The only time I can see under TCA where a student may legally have a gun in car on campus is during the act of dropping off/picking up passengers. - OS

I've not seen the term "loaded" defined in the statutes. However, you can be absolutely sure that a gun does not have to have a round in the chamber to be considered loaded. Loaded mag inserted in a long gun is even illegal in your car without a HCP. However, "unloaded" is defined in 39-17-1301. Part definitions: "(18) "Unloaded" means the rifle, shotgun or handgun does not have ammunition in the chamber, cylinder, clip or magazine, and no clip or magazine is in the immediate vicinity of the weapon." So it follows that a gun not meeting all of these criteria is "loaded". - OS

Good Lord, haven't you read the thread at all, and seen the ways you may LEGALLY carry a firearm without an HCP, from car to apartment or elsewhere? Are you related to TargetShooter84? - OS

You can't use deadly force to stop a purse snatching alone, you know? - OS

Please try to limit your posts to their usual content free variety only. "39-17-1308. Defenses to unlawful possession or carrying of a weapon. (a) It is a defense to the application of § 39-17-1307 if the possession or carrying was: (1) Of an unloaded rifle, shotgun or handgun not concealed on or about the person and the ammunition for the weapon was not in the immediate vicinity of the person or weapon;" Although it would take a particularly snarky LEO to stick you with illegal possession for carrying an unloaded gun with ammo both in a range bag, carry the gun and the ammo in separate trips to be completely within the law. You already had them well separated in the vehicle anyway, right? Place of residence would probably technically be considered inside the apartment itself, although again, some LEO would have to be having quite a bad day to sting you with illegal carry in the parking lot going to your abode. - OS