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I don't know the answer to that. The statement above is from TNDOS site that lists requirements for those with out of state permits: http://www.tn.gov/safety/handgun/apprequirements.shtml It may be that FL allows various "certificates of training" that TN doesn't see as meeting same standards, I really dunno. - OS

Well, except that .223 is essentially same overall dimensions, speed, and force as 5.56, unlike .38 compared to .357. Unless ammo money is of little concern, you'll likely shoot a lot of the cheapest .223. - OS

If surplus 7.62x54 ever dries up, they'll be that again. - OS

I'd address a couple of your points; (btw, when you put comments within a quoted section, the next person can't quote them). Correct. That's what I said. TN employers must comply with federal law regarding the protected classes. Otherwise, can generally be fired. An exact contractual agreement can override that, of course, but rank and file employees don't generally have that. As far as illegal search and seizure vs employer search via contract, it doesn't matter. The employer is likely not trying to have you charged with a crime (since you wouldn't be guilty of one unless you had loaded gun with no HCP), only a violation of policy. Of course you don't have to allow his search under the law. Of course he can fire you for not allowing it. Of course you'd not be guilty of a crime, but of course you'd have no recourse for wrongful termination either. Don't know what you mean by "park", guess state park. Just like any other employer, the state of TN can set conditions of employment, of course; however, state policy is not to terminate except for cause, but there's a long list of them, if they want to get you. When I worked at UT, I figgered I had broken all of them at one time or another, except possible for a couple I didn't fully understand. Btw, if you think my response indicated I was pissed off, you are reading phantasms between the lines or you have the thinnest skin on the entire internet. - OS

"Florida Applicant must be twenty-one (21), complete a DOS approved handgun safety course, complete the Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit application, provide proof of U.S. Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency, and pay the applicable renewal fee. (Florida requires fingerprinting but does not require a safety course.) " - OS

The US paid 1/10 to 1/5 of its entire yearly budget in tribute and ransom to the Muslim pirate states for over 15 years. Ever wonder why "shores of Tripoli" is in the Marine Hymn? - OS

Um, I'm trying to follow the "logic" of that feller's accusation. - If he saw drivers stomp them, they were already at the house so no reason not to just deliver them. - If they stomped on them somewhere else before ever attempting to deliver, how did the recipient see them do that? - OS

Yeah, matter of fact, AR looks more like some NE state with all the restrictions. Didn't realize just how many there are till I just read up at handgunlaw.us. - OS

Again, this is your opinion only. While it would seem logical to assume so, it is untested territory, and there's no guarantee that you will not be convicted even if it's not conforming. See AG opinion about parks above. If charged it's going to cost you a lawyer. And the scores can really change if you have to appeal to get the "justice" you seem to take for granted. C'mon Ken, be accurate. A gun buster is one of the two types of conforming signs. And there is not a "proper" gunbuster. It is defined only as: "the international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle". Can be any size, any general design, any color, etc. Can also be words only. The language does NOT have to be specific, is still "substantially similar" to: "AS AUTHORIZED BY T.C.A. § 39-17-1359, POSSESSION OF A WEAPON ON POSTED PROPERTY OR IN A POSTED BUILDING IS PROHIBITED AND IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE." "Substantially similar" is defined now, as containing language to denote that: "1. The property is posted under authority of Tennessee law; 2. Weapons or firearms are prohibited on the property, in the building, or on the portion of the property or building that is posted; and 3. Possessing a weapon in an area that has been posted is a criminal offense." edit: Guess I should have just pasted the whole statute in retrospect: ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- 39-17-1359. Prohibition at certain meetings -- Posting notice. (a) (1) An individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity or agent thereof is authorized to prohibit the possession of weapons by any person who is at a meeting conducted by, or on property owned, operated, or managed or under the control of the individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. (2) The prohibition in subdivision (a)(1) shall apply to any person who is authorized to carry a firearm by authority of § 39-17-1351. ( (1) Notice of the prohibition permitted by subsection (a) shall be accomplished by displaying one (1) or both of the notices described in subdivision ( (3) in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited. Either form of notice used shall be of a size that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building, property, or portion of the building or property, posted. (2) The notice required by this section shall be in English, but a duplicate notice may also be posted in any language used by patrons, customers or persons who frequent the place where weapon possession is prohibited. (3) (A) If a sign is used as the method of posting, it shall contain language substantially similar to the following: AS AUTHORIZED BY T.C.A. § 39-17-1359, POSSESSION OF A WEAPON ON POSTED PROPERTY OR IN A POSTED BUILDING IS PROHIBITED AND IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. ( As used in this section, "language substantially similar to" means the sign contains language plainly stating that: (i) The property is posted under authority of Tennessee law; (ii) Weapons or firearms are prohibited on the property, in the building, or on the portion of the property or building that is posted; and (iii) Possessing a weapon in an area that has been posted is a criminal offense. © A building, property or a portion of a building or property, shall be considered properly posted in accordance with this section if one (1) or both of the following is displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited: (i) The international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle; or (ii) The posting sign described in this subdivision ( (3). © (1) It is an offense to possess a weapon in a building or on property that is properly posted in accordance with this section. (2) Possession of a weapon on posted property in violation of this section is a Class B misdemeanor punishable by fine only of five hundred dollars ($500). (d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter, reduce or eliminate any civil or criminal liability that a property owner or manager may have for injuries arising on their property. (e) The provisions of this section shall not apply to title 70 regarding wildlife laws, rules and regulations. (f) This section shall not apply to the grounds of any public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof. The carrying of firearms in those areas shall be governed by § 39-17-1311. HISTORY: Acts 1996, ch. 905, § 11; 2000, ch. 929, § 1; 2009, ch. 428, § 4; 2010, ch. 1009, § 3. note: a "b" in "()" becomes ( a "c" in "()" becomes © - OS

Very cool, Cap ... I wasn't familiar with Fletcher ...Is this the "Bush Operator XL"? "This particular knife is deigned to cut your way out of the tank you're trapped in." LOL! - OS

TN state, county, and city government buildings must be posted just the same as private businesses. Only rooms containing courts in session are off limits by TN law and federal buildings by federal law. Btw, everyone seems so adamant that it's perfectly legal to carry past a non-conforming-to-statute sign: but there is no case law on that yet. Our AG has opined that you may be found guilty of carrying in a restricted park, even if there are no signs at all there. Obviously, it's a statute that is not really much if at all enforced, and there is much anecdotal evidence that violators are generally just asked to leave if a LEO shows up, but I'd avoid taking the advice as gospel. - OS

I've waded creeks and ponds and lakes most of my life with shorts and tennis shoes. Always worked fine for me, but I didn't do it in the winter. They make a bunch of nifty "water shoes" nowadays. Some designed to let water in and out, some to keep ya dry/warm with wader booties. The various "hiking sandals" with the protected heel and toe areas oughtta work pretty well too? Lots of options if you're only after traction and protection and not keeping water out. Here's a pair of nifty looking ones just ran across on SG the other day: I used a cheap pair that looked something like these down in the Keys some, both on boat and in water, worked okay until they sorta rotted away, I'm sure better ones last; 'course that was salt water too. - OS

Some decisions in life are irreversible.

Or is it because posting has force of law in TN but not in the other states in which Region operates? - OS

In TN you can be fired for any reason not directly relating to being a member of a federally protected class. Handgun bearers do not comprise any of those classes. The reason does not even have to be disclosed. Employer does not supersede law by requiring that. Contractual agreements are generally always valid as long as they do not include unlawful acts. It is not against the law to NOT have a gun in your car. Gee, doesn't this "supersede the law" according to your premise? - OS edit: apologies for possibly slipping into the same old polarized argument re carry rights vs private property rights. Of course Federal "property rights" are inviolate, even though that's "our" property!

Wow, I see your point. All is forgiven now that you're making nice.

I don't get the whole thread: looked at all your recent posts and don't even see any of the flak you mention. - OS

One of the best all around folders out there for EDC or outdoor tasks. More like $75 worth of knife for $25. All four carry positions for clip, too, that's rare. Too bad about the bad blood 'tween Randall and Ontario that sort of ended development and variations of this line. It's strange that ESSE just pretty much quit on the folding line altogether, though see they now have a Izula folder. - OS

Did that Zeiss scope work out? What's it on? Seems this nice ole Remy might be worthy of wearing it? - OS

Let's go with "rara avis", sounds classier. :) - OS

No such thing as "best". Currently, I'm EDCing in pockets CS American Lawman, Buck Vantage (hybrid), and Buck Stockman. Others that have had EDC stints in last couple/three years: Spyderco Military, Buck 110, CS Voyager (first model), Kershaw Tremor, SRM 710, a couple of different Enlan models. Plus a necker at just about all times. Oh, yeah, and a credit card knife in wallet. I don't own but 2 or 3 knives that cost over a c-note, generally settle for solid performers in less rarefied price ranges, and there are lots of good choices anymore. - OS

Well, good point there. There's actually another airport/firearms law in TCA somewhere, not in weapons section, that is probably more appropriate if you're gonna stay with a TN statute though. That or simply "carrying past a sign", depending on how the signage really is at the airport. I think it's a comment on how screwed up our weapons laws are -- local LEAs don't know what they are half the time. - OS

Why, his fame is far and wide -- some of us East Tennersee boys know him too! - OS

The majority opinion does not necessarily prevail on any political level in the USA, simple as that. - OS

Glad you found us and welcome ... helluva shootin iron! - OS