Oh Shoot

I'm afraid that Red Eye has been partially responsible for skewing me toward Vampire Hours schedule. Long time fan. Saw GJ on it twice, may have been on more, dunno. He fit in pretty well. So does another unlikely frequent participant, John Bolton. You think he's sardonic on the regular news venues, he's off the scale on Red Eye. - OS

Thanks again for Radnor Lake, Leonard. - OS

Already posted above in #34 JayC, to save you time. - OS

That story is way behind. Didn't this already make up to TN Supreme Court? And get kicked back down to the last court that handled it as they refused to hear it on some basis? - OS

Heck, man, GJ had the guts to go on Red Eye w/ Gutfeld. I'd vote for him on that basis alone! I'll say this about 3rd Party viability though .. if this campaign cycle were to last another year, instead of just until November, I think GJ would have a good chance. This Super PAC thing is just out of control, 90% negative on each side, I'm sick of it, I think most Americans are sick of it. SCOTUS really blew it on this one, seems to me. Have you seen the latest, where Mitt is accused of killing the guys wife (cancer, lost insurance as one of the companies that went bankrupt after Bain acquired it)? It's really a total new low, not factual of course, but wow. http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1130631 http://hotair.com/gr...ma-renounce-it/ PAC is run by Bill Burton, who is a fer C'sake former spokesperson for BHO. But of course, there's no communication between him and the admin as required by law. Right. - OS

I posted the statute, how could it be other than clear cut in that case? - OS

Do not. Well, it doesn't say anything about paperwork. What about your granddad in another state that dies intestate but told your grandmother (still living) he wanted you to have all his guns? Can she just give them to you? Burden of proof on you, or the BATF if push should come to shove? Dunno, but it says "intestate succession" so certainly a will isn't required, don't know about probate court documentation or anything. - OS

Yeah, shows that just because they can, doesn't mean they will. Assuming they understand they can in the first place. Much like shipping guns intrastate, especially a handgun. Perfectly legal, but just try to get it done while still complying with carrier's rules. Hell, with UPS it is actually within their rules, but good luck to ya if you try. - OS

That one is relatively clear, though it doesn't mention any kind of documentation like probate or will to prove it if push were to become shove, so it's not crystal clear how you'd prove it. [The interstate transfer process] "shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State" 18 U.S.C. § 922 : US Code - Section 922: Unlawful acts section (1) (3) (a) - OS

Well, that is the question at hand. It's my understanding that an individual can't sell a long gun to an out of state resident period, gun must go to FFL in buyer's state. I'm perfectly willing to be be wrong, btw, , but this has been my long time understanding. I just called a couple of FFLs, asked about fellow coming up from Alabama and putting long guns in his hand. Used this example, as I do indeed have a friend down there and we've discussed buying/swapping a few guns, could actually happen . Bill's Outpost: Guy isn't sure, if came into day, wouldn't know what to do about that, Bill the owner not there. Coal Creek: Guy says you can sell anything to anybody as long as you're both in TN, doesn't matter what state the other guy is from. LOL! Seriously! Then a long confab with someone else and comes back and says yeah, they can. Randy's Knife and Guns: Don't do transfers between individuals, only from FFLs sent into state, but long gun would have to be sent to 'Bama anyway unless they sold it. Personal Defense Options: Eventually after asking someone else, says that yeah, can do it. Not exactly conclusive. Maybe I'll try some more. No TGO FFL's see this thread? EDIT: I put call into Knoxville BATF field agent, got real receptionist immediately who said he'll call me back, will report. - OS EDIT EDIT: I'm WRONG WRONG WRONG: Agent called me back, missed getting his name, but he said that YES, you can transfer a long gun to out of state resident through TN FFL and he can toddle off with it right here in TN. With the proviso of course, that buyer pass the 4473, and that it's legal in the buyer's home state to do that. He wasn't sure which states have the contiguous state transfer thing, as that of course is not federal. One interesting thing though, is that he said that back when, the contiguous state thing was part of federal law. I forgot to ask him what happens if an FFL tries to transfer something that ain't kosher via state law in the receiver's state, whether there's some automatic thing that cuts in or whether the transfer is denied by BATF or what, though. So again, my apologies all around, showed my arse on this one. Not a first, though. Sending PM to 808-South with personal apologies, although if the FL laws that Runco found are indeed still current, he couldn't have done it here legally anyway I reckon. Though the last question there is, what happens if the FFL doesn't know that either? - OS

I can't answer all your questions, but the FFL has to log the weapon into his bound book before he can transfer it to you, and needs the type/make/serial number. The last two I had transferred, they had already done that before I got there, gun packages were already open, only had to do the 4473. So I doubt if there's any BATF rule about it, but certainly don't know for sure. At least he didn't take it out and shoot it. There's a story on site here where a FFL did that with a suppressor he was holding for the buyer. - OS

Well, meant they are exempt from either/both, short of physically attacking someone or something. Article 1, Section 1 “Congress shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.†Of course, at least half the legislation passed should be treasonable, but that's another debate I guess. - OS

Remember, in this country, "they" is "us". Active army is a very small proportion of population so they'll need National Guard in each state, which still adds up to only around 1% of total population. And particularly with the Guard, "they" is the guy and gal next door, around the corner, across town. "They" are not necessarily going to storm troop "us". Most will turn them in on their own volition, but they ain't gonna come get 'em. They didn't in Australia. Didn't have to. Over time, they weed out the holdouts. Hell, after a generation or so of the "re-education", youngsters jump to turn in grandad's guns they found in the attic. Everybody throws up the Katrina example, but that was a very localized deal in one part of one city, and with actually very few rouge LEO's involved. Would be nothing like that with a wider regional or national upheaval of whatever kind you'd like to posit. - OS

What Reid said about Romney's tax stuff the other day would possibly incur civil litigation for slander and defamation of character, except that he said it on the floor in Congress and is hence specially exempted from criminal charges. That's why he said them so boldly there. - OS

A cop there reports on air he used a single "Springfield 9mm XP semi-automatic pistol". So an XD or XDm then I reckon. Killed half of what Holmes did with all his extra firepower and 2/3 of all hit. Which simply supports what I've opined, that Holmes fortunately barely had a clue about guns. Think what this guy Page might have done with an AR inside that temple, and also against the cops when they first showed up. For what ever reason he went in there with just one pistola and only bought it in July (legally, from gun shop). Sounds like a guy who would already have had guns, also kind of strange. Of course that XD 9 was an uber high capacity assault weapon nonetheless, right? Still not as evil as a Glock though. - OS

Nobody has claimed that the FFL must buy the firearm and resale it. I said it was the only possible workaround for a TN resident to legally get a firearm to an out of state resident for his ownership, and that individual take possession of it in TN. And of course I wish I'd never said it because the statement has only been misconstrued. You as an individual can't sell a firearm to an out of state resident unless he takes possession of it thorough a FFL in his home state. You can't buy one from him in his state. I've said this every way I know. You disagree also? If so, I put it this way: I'm a South Carolina resident. I want to buy your rifle while visiting here in TN. What are your legal options to sell it to me? - OS

Generally, yes -- had a little interaction with the Knox Co. stolen property division re that about 15 years ago. Pawn shops have to do a periodic report (weekly, maybe) with serial numbers to county LEA on a variety of items, guns being one of them. I assume the database is networked state wide, maybe wider,and is likely more sophisticated than the system I saw back then. Also don't know if pawn shop has access to where they can check before they take an item in or not, be surprised it they can't these days. - OS

Okay, Anyway, then, you and your son are indeed shown in the HCP database, so you don't hafta have hurt feelings after all. - OS

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Tom Delaney? Loretta Lynn? Peter Tosh?

As I mentioned in earlier post, there are several states that only allow in-your-hand long gun purchases from adjoining states, but I sure didn't know FL was one of them, thought they were all in Yankee Land. Federal law certainly allows more restrictive state purchasing requirements, just not laxer ones. Interesting info, thanks. My work-around example of selling the long gun to FFL and FFL selling to the guy wouldn't have worked in case of a FL buyer anyway. - OS

Okay, you got me one more time, can't believe it. I should charge for this. If the 922 verbiage is too dense, you can get plainer Engleesh in the pertinent CFRs also: 27 CFR 478.29 and CFR 478.30. Says same thing, just more straightforward. http://www.law.corne.../text/27/478.29 http://www.law.corne.../text/27/478.30 From BATF FAQs (which are not infallible, but correct here): Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922((3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30] http://www.atf.gov/f...censed-transfer - OS

Whole site is down. Anarchy websites are self defeating. - OS

Okay, last bite, really. You just documented it yourself. Read all sections more carefully. Then go by your fav Nashville FFL for a real world interpretation if necessary. - OS