Oh Shoot

  Many wild things raised in captivity don't want to be free, indeed can't even survive as free creatures.   Little Nanny State parallel therein?   - OS

Here's the same Butler Creek design on one of my 10/22s. Very sturdy. I don't have any prob popping it open or closed. Can shoot with it folded if squirrels pull a surprise ambush. The disadvantage is that you don't get much of a cheek weld if holding. Off pod it doesn't seem to matter much. If you haunt perfectunion.com classifieds, eBay, Gunbroker, you might scare up an original factory folder for the Mini, but they're pretty pricey. I believe with the Butler Creek you have to change over the reinforcing bracket in the existing stock? or you can get another one from our fav place CTD for 10 bucks. - OS

Pretty good assumption since it's happened in a major way about 6 times.   So you'd lose it to a military junta instead, under your scenario. The last time that played out well anywhere on the planet to my knowledge was in 1783 and it wouldn't play the same again. I believe we're going to keep most of our remaining gun rights this time around -- but America will continue on its liberal socialistic path until enough people experience enough pain to change it. Hyper-inflation oughtta do it, btw. But as far as the gun rights part, shooing away the flies to the other side by using vinegar instead of honey can only accelerate the loss of those in the meantime. - OS

  You'd have thought that there was enough pain this time, but I guess it has been felt mostly only by those who try to work for a living.   A little bout with king hell inflation will be the tide that lowers all boats.   - OS

  No test case to prove that thesis we know of yet. Meaning, statute does not state that a statutorily non-compliant posting exempts one from prosecution. The federal one regarding federal facilities does, but not the TN one.   We also have a state AG who wrote an opinion that even if a park was not posted at all, a person could still be prosecuted if indeed the municipality had opted out of the park carry statute.   Go figger, YMMV, smoke em if you got em.   - OS

  Yep, knew that was where a lot of it was going. Happened in '08 too, but worse this time around.

Whether you discuss the media or the electorate, the only thing that will now turn this country toward conservatism is significant national pain in the pocketbook.   Which may well happen, but everyone will have to suffer through it, not just those of the ideology that caused it.   - OS

  Good on you. Would likely have done same if he were local to me.   - OS

  Thing is though, gun control is going to be in the news for a good long time, maybe through this entire Congress.   I don't think there's going to be a "click" "whew" moment when the panic ends and prices/supply go back even close to what it was pre Sandy Hook, or even pre election. Don't think this time around is going to be as benign as the '08 turned out to be.   - OS

  Aside from an initial mild statement of support for the intent of Obama's initiatives, you haven't heard him pushing Feinstein's bill, have ya?   - OS

  You can find all the proposed bills, but that will give you no idea when they might actually come up for action.   You can be pretty sure that none of the 20 or so in the House already filed will come up at all, unless one or more turns into an amendment to a Senate bill.   Keep your eye on the Senate.   - OS

  A legislator's conscience is determined by what will get him reelected, and he determines that by a variety of methods to feel the pulse of his constituency and the money flow that will or won't come his way depending on his stand. Nationwide, I posit that the NRA's clumsy efforts since Sandy Hook has swayed more folks and money toward the anti-gun side than our side.   That is what doesn't work.   - OS

  You can forget the H.R. bills for now. None of them will see the light of day unless one is modified as a "rebuttal amendment" to a Senate bill.   Keep your eyes on S.xxx bills. There will be a succession of them, Feinstein's (S.150) is just the opening bid.   - OS

  It now defines quite precisely what points "language substantially similar to" must contain, if the gunbuster is not present.   - OS

  "Gun with the line thru it" is perfectly sufficient according to the statute.   You have, you know, read the statute? Seems pretty clear to me, as far as what wording is necessary also.   - OS

  What? There will be no "vote" on Feinstein's bill this week. Likely ever, as is..   But there will be an ongoing series of bills. Feinstein's effort is just the first foray.   This stuff isn't likely to be "settled" even by end of the year.   - OS

  Feinstein's will never get a vote in the Senate, as is, but firearm legislation is not going to just "be over" this session in some clear sense, it will be ongoing, with a series of bills that will rise, fall, be amended, resubmitted, etc.   Blumenthal's ammo bill is coming along any day now in the Senate, for example. Haven't even seen the first universal background check one there either, but it'll come along.   I don't necessarily see a clear cut end to what may or may not be enacted even by the end of 2013.   - OS

If I couldn't separate the art from the artist, I wouldn't have much art to enjoy, from high classical to the latest shoot 'em up.   You can just about always find feet of clay if you want to look. That goes for Ronald Reagan and Ted Nugent too, just to mention a couple of TGO gods as example.   - OS

  He'd lose worse than Mitt did. Way worse. It's not an uber conservative country, man. Things could change, but I doubt that much.   Somebody's gonna have to really have some razzmatazz to beat Hildebeest, though.   - OS

  Yep, let's continue to alienate enough folks so that their pols become convinced that an anti-gun congressional vote won't cost them their next election. Shrewd tactic.   The antis write too, ya know, particularly the pissed off ones, and the pols are influenced by polls, especially ones they may be contracting privately targeting their own fiefdoms constituencies.   - OS

  Short of the revolution, rather negates the reason to own it.

  Prob is, no way to know how many folks own them, so no way to judge compliance.   I foresee massive gun checking at rifle ranges, where the state can pick 'em off one at a time. Cuomo will probably put the pressure on to  give em the jail time, too.   - OS

  Driving folks away from you so that they influence enough votes to nuke your cause isn't either.   - OS

  You wish, brother. They're second only to FOX.   Probably responsible for much of that 4 million vote difference in the last election.   - OS

  You're being logical again. The NRA ad was logical, but PR type persuasion is seldom a matter of logic.   You can't sway the extremes, you aim at the middle. I contend NRA's "in your face"  PR since Sandy Hook has driven more from the middle toward the grabbers than toward the keepers.   Of course, Baker coming unglued hurts the cause too, even though he's right.   - OS