Oh Shoot

I'll get it done today, will report progress (or not). Judging by past communication my rep (Eddie Smith) should give me some indication of what to expect in a day or three. - OS

Found time for a quick shoot of my 320 full size today, nothing fancy just quick session of 85 rounds at tin cans, 10-25 yards. As expected, flawless, more accurate than me (can say the same for about every heater made ), but seriously, with the long sight radius I looked good enough. Only shot FMJ range stuff, but plenty enough folks have put these through the paces to know it'll eat essentially anything. Trigger quite okay, short takeup, tiny bit of creep to a decent break, and short reset bout same as Glock. Came with default medium grip frame, which is just fine for me. Great purchase on the grip, a custom "stippling" straight from SIG. Cleaning lower is pretty nifty what with the removable gut, just pull it out, spritz with brake cleaner, touch of CLP on the moving surfaces, pop it back in. Might eventually get a subcompact kit for it, just because. All in all, I'm sure it'll be fine as armed services issue. Striker fired just makes sense over double/single action. So much simpler, same trigger pull each time, no decocker to engage (or forget to), all that. Pull the trigger it go boom until it's empty. Sorry they're even putting a manual safety on them for the military, but whatever, still simpler than a combo decocker/safety with double/single action pulls. Also bout 5.5 oz. lighter than the Beretta, both weighed with empty mags inserted. - OS

This sort of thing really pisses me off, some middle level drone making some judgement with absolutely no basis in law, federal or state. None. Might be better for Chances to approach his rep/senator for any opinion since he is vested in the HCP process, but I'lll try through my rep first. He's not bad on gun stuff, though not exactly gung ho, and he has anwered all my emails in the past with personal response. I'll see if he'll ask Slatery's official opinion on: - is there any difference under TN law for and 18-20 year-old to possess a handgun than for a 21 year-old? - does section (e) of 39-17-1307 (exception for firearm possession in vehicle) include all adults, or only those 21 years old? - does section (e) of 39-17-1307 (exception for firearm possession in vehicle) make any distinction between long guns and handguns? And I'll tell him what's up with the DOS training regimen regarding this, see if he or Slatery will do anything about it. - OS

opps double

That's preposterous. By default, federal and state laws legislate adult behavior, either by proscription or prescription, unless specifically worded to affect juveniles. If 39-17-1307 were only for 21 year old adults instead of 18 year old adults, it would have to specify such. And certainly, there's nothing in US 18 922 that you mention that is the least bit relevant to TCA 39-17-1307. And ATF has nothing to do with it. And any LEO who claims that is an idiot also, and could well get his department in real dutch for any arrests he might make on that basis. And frankly, I find it preposterous that any actual state attorney of any echelon would claim that either, but who knows. IMNSHO, you seem to just be making a lot out of some state factotum's doofus glitch on a slide show regarding 21 year olds and handguns. At any rate, rather than sing a sour song in your classes, get your state rep or senator to get an opinion from the AG and I'm sure he'll say it applies to any any adult in this state, resident or not. - OS

Anything changed in legislature that would make passage of this possible? WorriedMan, check in? - OS

The 320 carry is actually a bit larger than the compact (grip length, carry holds more rounds), which isn't an intuitive naming convention. And both are of course larger than the subcompact. If you're going to compare to the Shield, a more apples to apples comparison is the 320 subcompact -- essentially same dimensions cept for thicker grip for double stack mag, 12 rounds instead of the Shield's 7. - OS

Well, depends on which P320 config you choose, full size, compact, carry, or subcompact. More like $350 best price, but try to find one right now, except from SIG, where they are $407. Just got a P320 full size in my hands yesterday, haven't even shot it yet. Mainly got it because it's our new Army sidearm and wanted an example, and figgered it won't get any cheaper for some time. Base model without night sights $499 from Buds (+ transfer/TICS, $519 in hand), a lot cheaper than a new Beretta 92FS/M1. No doubt it's a purt durn slick heater, really do initially like it. - OS

Who is in lawful possession of the vehicle? Certainly the owner, or anyone the owner allows to use it. Doesn't matter who actually owns the guns, the one in lawful possession of the vehicle is the one who is "carrying" them; I'm sure the term is not meant to limit that to being "on the person". I suppose that if your buddy doesn't want firearms in his vehicle, it's his responsibility to determine whether you have any before giving you a ride, or letting you borrow his car. Like that. Same thing in a residence. Certainly the the owner or "possessor" of the residence can ban firearms within it. Hell, landlords can even legally specify that in a lease in this state, at least private ones can. Even so, as far as the vehicle, the driver/owner isn't committing an unlawful act carrying your firearms, even if he doesn't know about it. And of course as long as you have a permit, you certainly aren't either, even if you know you're doing it against his will. In short, I think you're postulating a problem that simply hasn't and won't arise. - OS

Um, well, garsh, thx. Note that about half of what I note about them are the gray areas though, so don't take anything from me as legally authoritative in any way, eh? And if I were writing them, there'd be few if any of them there gray areas. - OS

You'll hear about as much criticism about TSA as NRA here, but IMNSHO, it's absolutely worth joining and keeping up with yearly renewals. - OS

I count 30. That ain't exactly a "very few". - OS

Utah will get you WA, Nevada will get you MN, other than that no additional states that TN permit doesn't. Before losing these two states, there was to my knowledge no non-resident permit from any state that added anything to the TN lineup. - OS

rats, double post

Also note that this is an exception to this statute only. Doing same on school property, posted property, or against employer policy still requires a permit.

Horse pucky on whoever wrote it. http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/tncode/ Direct links don't work the way the frame site works, because you have to accept terms every time you visit. You want 39-17-1307 but what the heck, I'll paste whole statute, pertinent to thread in red: ------------------------------------ 39-17-1307. Unlawful carrying or possession of a weapon. (a) (1) A person commits an offense who carries, with the intent to go armed, a firearm or a club. (2) (A) The first violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class C misdemeanor, and, in addition to possible imprisonment as provided by law, may be punished by a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500). (B) A second or subsequent violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class B misdemeanor. (C) A violation of subdivision (a)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor if the person's carrying of a handgun occurred at a place open to the public where one (1) or more persons were present. (b) (1) A person commits an offense who unlawfully possesses a firearm, as defined in § 39-11-106, and: (A) Has been convicted of a felony involving the use or attempted use of force, violence, or a deadly weapon; or (B) Has been convicted of a felony drug offense. (2) An offense under subdivision (b)(1)(A) is a Class C felony. (3) An offense under subdivision (b)(1)(B) is a Class D felony. (c) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a handgun and has been convicted of a felony. (2) An offense under subdivision (c)(1) is a Class E felony. (d) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a deadly weapon other than a firearm with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from a dangerous offense as defined in § 39-17-1324. (2) A person commits an offense who possesses any deadly weapon with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from any offense not defined as a dangerous offense by § 39-17-1324. (3) (A) Except as provided in subdivision (d)(3)(B), a violation of this subsection (d) is a Class E felony. (B) A violation of this subsection (d) is a Class E felony with a maximum fine of six thousand dollars ($6,000), if the deadly weapon is a switchblade knife. (e) (1) It is an exception to the application of subsection (a) that a person is carrying or possessing a firearm or firearm ammunition in a motor vehicle if the person: (A) Is not prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) or purchasing a firearm by § 39-17-1316; and (B) Is in lawful possession of the motor vehicle. (2) As used in this subsection (e): (A) "Motor vehicle" has the same meaning as defined in § 55-1-103; (B) "Motor vehicle" does not include any motor vehicle that is: (i) Owned or leased by a governmental or private entity that has adopted a written policy prohibiting firearms or ammunition not required for employment within such a motor vehicle; and (ii) Provided by such entity to an employee for use during the course of employment. (f) (1) A person commits an offense who possesses a firearm, as defined in § 39-11-106(a), and: (A) Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921, and is still subject to the disabilities of such a conviction; (B) Is, at the time of the possession, subject to an order of protection that fully complies with 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8); or (C) Is prohibited from possessing a firearm under any other state or federal law. (2) If the person is licensed as a federal firearms dealer or a responsible party under a federal firearms license, the determination of whether such an individual possesses firearms that constitute the business inventory under the federal license shall be determined based upon the applicable federal statutes or the rules, regulations and official letters, rulings and publications of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. (3) For purposes of this section, a person does not possess a firearm, including, but not limited to, firearms registered under the National Firearms Act, compiled in 26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq., if the firearm is in a safe or similar container that is securely locked and to which the respondent does not have the combination, keys or other means of normal access. (4) A violation of subdivision (f)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor and each violation constitutes a separate offense. (5) If a violation of subdivision (f)(1) also constitutes a violation of § 36-3-625(h) or § 39-13-113(h), the respondent may be charged and convicted under any or all such sections. --------------- - OS

You could have just read the statute itself; unlike many, it's pert durn clear. "Is in lawful possession of the motor vehicle." is the key phrase. Ownership is not mentioned except in case of biz or govt. entity which provides the vehicle and prohibits possession. - OS

Nooga store is only one in TN, you may about at as close to the one in Lexington, KY or Roanoke, VA.

Well, with a permit she can legally keep a firearm in her vehicle on school property under TN law. And if her employer takes action against her for doing that, she has recourse to sue for damages, also specified in TN law. How that squares against contract law I don't know, no test case yet. It is my understanding however, that a contract may not validly specify anything that is illegal under federal or the individual state law. But you can so far forget 2A as a defense, since SCOTUS has only incorporated to the states the fact that you may own common firearms in the home. - OS

Aw c'mon, make it sporting, use a .380 mouse gun. Or really test manhood with a .25. - OS

No, it doesn't. The KY store is https://www.budsgunshopky.com/ which is similar to the TN brick and mortar site. You're apparently looking at budsgunshop.com, the online only outlet. - OS

I scored one box of 100 CCI ones a couple of years ago at Wallly. Bought by default just because there wasn't anything else around and was shocked to see any .22 at all at the time. I get down to nooga every other month or so, will see about swapping them to you or whatever. - OS

Pocket gun. - OS

Nobody wants surgery, but can tell you that if you have to have it, the operation itself should be no huge deal, assuming they can do it laparoscopically, which is standard nowadays for most folks. I lost about a third of the big pipe (from the other end) about 10 years ago, was driving my FedEx truck 72 hours later (though I wasn't supposed to lift stuff for about a month, had to hire a kid to hump it). Dunno if any difference from taking it from sigmoid section, but no real significant changes in metabolism for me except that for about a year or two, stuff didn't stay in the system as long so throne time at bit more often. Benefit, seemed I could eat anything, any amount, and not gain weight. Detriment, then system acclimated back to about same time frame and I gained weight! Seems like I might fart more than before, especially with beans, but that's pretty subjective as I've always been a significant wind machine. Anyway, here's wishing you every success with it! - OS

That's essentially all DoD has to do, they are earmarked for CMP to handle everything else. - OS