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  No, "notwithstanding" means "despite" or "regardless of" -- ie,  that any contrary provisions in those statutes mentioned are superseded, and do not apply to the circumstances allowed in the new bill when codified.   - OS

  Well, no news to me on that account of course, but if that summarizes the courts too, aren't you surprised that the state Supreme Court has issued a stay/hearing in the first place?   They've even set an actual date of April 29 for an injunction to halt the law if the state's mouthpieces don't convince them. Maybe it's all just theater, dunno, but can't imagine Cuomo and his legislative minions being too happy about it. Wouldn't be surprised to find they're surprised.   - OS

  Sure the email wasn't just a notification of a PM?   Default is to receive PM notification via email (which also includes the message).   - OS

  Far out. So "Supreme" is really a misnomer in NYS. Figures.   Any feel for the relative tone of the two higher courts? Like traditional or activist?   - OS

  Oh, so you think they'll interpret it to mean any shotgun shell you can buy, eh?   Of course, it does further mention "....magazines that can be modified to"....   Who knows. They'll work it out there -- sounds  like state SCOTUS may well throw whole thing out and it goes to US SCOTUS. I can't hardly believe that since the state court put hold on it, they are going to be swayed by Cuomo's arguments regarding the constitutionality. I mean, if the court had considered a leg to stand on already, they wouldn't really have even delayed it, seems to me.   - OS

  I can't help but think that changing a felony to legal behavior is a positive step. (loaded weapon in vehicle on school property).   - OS

  Because of Jim Crow firearms laws all over the south, same as discussed in this thread:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/62265-when-did-tn-lose-long-gun-carry-and-why/   - OS

  Yep, that's the statute I mentioned. As QuietDan mentioned, was basically a Jim Crow law to basically allow white men to carry pistols, as blacks couldn't afford the Army/Navy. TN certainly wasn't the only southern state to enact them.   Didn't realize it lasted in basic form till 1989, though. And as I mentioned, that old law is in many city ordinances around TN to this day, including Knoxville. It was the ordinance that Kwik carried under in Belle Meade when he made his stink there.   - OS

Why can't you carry it now, with a permit? From 39-17-1307 "It is an exception to the application of subsection (a) that a person authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351 is transporting a rifle or shotgun in or on a privately-owned motor vehicle and the rifle or shotgun does not have ammunition in the chamber." I can't think of a reason the "on" is in there, except to cover motorcycles? - OS

Well, I'd say it's much ado about not much, and grasping at straws.   “Capable of accepting more than seven rounds" is not the same as "capable of being modified to accept more than seven rounds".   So most pump shotguns on the market, and in people's hands, will be legit. Very few folks have more than a 7+1 pump shotgun.   Whole law sucks, but I don't think this part makes it suck more or less to speak of.   - OS

  Unlike SAAMI, which I understand as 5.56 at max 62,000 psi vs .223 at max 55,000 psi, CIP specs for 5.56 and .223 are the same: max 62, 000 psi.   It is my understanding that given same NATO spec load, the only reason some 5.56 is higher psi than .223 is because for a time military brass was a bit thicker than commercial .223, hence same powder charge in slightly smaller capacity casing equaled more pressure.   And that the only real difference in the longer leade ("throat")  in the 5.56 chamber was to better accommodate the heavier and longer bullets which were were only speced for possible military usage at the time the original chamber depth was also speced due to initial testing by Armalite and the Army?   - OS

  What do you base that on? I can't find an actual history of firearm possession laws in TN beyond the "army or navy revolver" thing which must have been a state law at one time, and is still embedded in many towns' code.   LexisNexis show history of 39-17-1307 as:   "HISTORY: Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 1029, § 6; 2007, ch. 412, § 1; 2007, ch. 594, § 3; 2008, ch. 1166, § 1; 2008, ch. 1176, § 1; 2009, ch. 431, § 1; 2009, ch. 455, § 6; 2010, ch. 793, § 1; 2012, ch. 726, § 1."   But I've never understood exactly how to interpret those annotations for sure. Would suggest it was first enacted in 1989 but maybe not?   - OS

Very good.   Thanks for keeping us in the loop, as this topic comes up once in a while and you've given us definitive narrative.   - OS

  Sure, back at least through the 60's there wasn't really any security to speak of at all. You could carry on anything you could conceal, whether it was actually legal or not.   I think the first actual searches and metal detectors didn't start until after D.B. Cooper and other skyjackings in the early 70's. First Sky Marshal program started way back then too under Nixon admin.   - OS

    Yep, first owner is found via manufacturer -> distributor (if used) -> FFL. Has been thus since 1968 I reckon.   - OS

  Doesn't kick in till April 25   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/62146-knives-on-planes/     - OS

  Nope, I've had several "renew early" BegAMails. I finally somewhat early upped for 3 extra years at a bit of a discount with a free cheapo knife. :)   Maybe you've actually been able to turn off the mail somehow. I get something pretty much weekly from either NRA or NRA-ILA in the snailmail. However, I don't get emails, amazingly enough.   - OS

Works for me on Windows PC with FireFox and IE. You mean you don't see the MultiQuote button, or what?

  Dec. 2, 2012. Not that old. I've seen it almost a year out of date though, doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to when they get a new update.   Most folks who say they aren't on it, they're either not using it correctly or their permits have expired since last database update, will come back once they've renewed and next update is bought.   And yeah, they first published it in late 2008.   - OS

  Gone. How much were they? Have only seen the polymer ones there in some while.

Yeah,it'll just be a delaying mess, I'm sure. He's an update from KnifeRights.org along with a slide show link I can't see till I get back to broadband. ----------------------   UPDATE: TSA to Allow Small Knives Onboard Aircraft Again In an announcement at an aviation conference in New York, TSA administrator John Pistole said that effective April 25 the TSA was is lifting its ban on small knives in the cabin. His comments weren't entirely clear and the TSA has now posted a slide show on their website illustrating what will be allowed and what will still be prohibited.  Click here to view the TSA "Changes to Prohibited Items List (PIL)"   Pistole said that the allowable knives will be limited to "retractable blades shorter than 6 centimeters (2.4 inches) and narrower than 1/2 inch at the widest point." From the slide show it is clear that by "retractable" he meant "folding." Still prohibited would be "knives with locking blades or molded handles," Pistole said. Fixed blade knives are also prohibited.   Keychain sized knives like the Victorinox "Classic" Swiss Army Knife or Leatherman "Squirt" or "Style" multi-tools are allowed. Also allowed would be the 84mm SAKs, such as the Victorinox Tinker that is illustrated in the slide show or the Cadet. Those SAKs have a 2.3-inch blade, just under the limit. There is bound to be some confusion and some very disappointed and perhaps upset travelers at the airports due to the fact that except for the blade being 5-7mm too long (Wenger or Victorinox, respectively), the most common 91 mm SAKs look virtually identical to the smaller frame SAK that is allowed. Whatever knife you are carrying through the airport, be sure to ]measure the blade length from the handle to the tip (not just the sharp edge).   NOTE: The changes to the Prohibited Items List are effective April 25, 2013. Don't try to carry a knife onboard before then!   To view the slides below full size, click here to view the TSA "Changes to Prohibited Items List (PIL)" slide show in PDF format.

All 'bout clear as mud, too.   From KnifeRights.org email (you mean you guys ain't members?):   "TSA to Allow Small Knives Onboard Aircraft Again In an announcement at an aviation conference in New York, TSA administrator John Pistole said that effective April 25 the TSA was is lifting its ban on small knives in the cabin. It wasn't entirely clear for sure what small knives, exactly, would be allowed, because there wasn't a lot of specificity to what Pistole said, or at least what was reported on various news sites. Pistole said that the allowable knives will be limited to "retractable blades shorter than 6 centimeters (2.4 inches) and narrower than 1/2 inch at the widest point."  We're guessing that by "retractable" he meant "folding." Still prohibited would be "knives with locking blades or molded handles," Pistole said. While "locking blades" is a straightforward, if irrational, discriminator, it isn't at all clear what he meant by "molded handles."   He also said razor blades and box cutters would still be banned. Citing the 9/11 terrorists that used box cutters to kill flight attendants on the aircraft they hijacked, "there is just too much emotion involved with those," Pistole said. Also, citing concerns raised by U.S. pilots, flight attendants and Air Marshals, certain types of small knives used primarily for hunting or as weapons will also continue to be prohibited. Again, it isn't at all clear what that means, but it sounds like an entirely subjective, and again irrational, standard that will likely include features like serrated blades or any blade style that appears "aggressive" to a TSA screener, at a guess. It will no doubt take a while for all involved to figure out where the line is between permitted and prohibited."   - OS

  Always a slight risk, but not as long as that barrel has a "useful purpose other than making an NFA firearm".   In other words, also having a lower that may be used for a pistol config -- which is any lower that did not begin life as a rifle.   - OS

  Yup.   Actually, not even sure TNDOS will tell you HCP status on an individual. Though the state will sell you access to the database, go figure.   - OS

  Can just use the Commercial Appeal database for the majority of them, TNDOS not required.   - OS