Oh Shoot

  Neither point computes with "personal defense".   - OS

  Nifty necker, my favorite knife genre.   Here are their various knife steels (and it's "Sandvik", btw. :)):   http://www.smt.sandvik.com/en/products/strip-steel/strip-products/knife-steel/   - OS

  I'll concede that type addendum/exception to my statements, which were made regarding general society. But it's really an induced psychosis due to lack of choice, as you point out..     A fascinating book I read many years ago, The Human Zoo, would support that. (by Desmond Morris, who wrote the better known The Naked Ape).   Basic premise of The Human Zoo is that modern society makes us live in such an unnatural environment with regard to population density, lack of physical effort for livelihood and problem solving, lack of clear cut choices, etc,  that our species exhibits neuroses/psychoses in much the same way as do animals in the unnatural confines of a zoo.   Both books are fascinating reads, think I'll revisit them.   - OS

  Really is since it's a built in problem with the design according to him.   Nothing like buying a new gun and have to void the warranty by filing on it, eh?   - OS

  Yes, but golf rises above all, the play of which is not to be attributed to outsiders regardless of politics. ;)   Though it does pain me that BHO plays it (and like Slick Willy,  I'll bet he's never posted an honest scorecard either).   - OS

  I could suddenly "decide" I was gay too, but the libido is the determiner. It wants a female, or a male, or both, or in rare cases none of the above.. To put it poetically, the angle of one's dangle must match the desired heat of the meat, or it's just a word.   Those "sudden" decisions probably really aren't. They come about after periods of confusion and/or denial that likely have more to do with bisexual tendencies, different rates of pubescent development, and of course all the issues of guilt, conformity, practicality, acceptance, and other such complicated issues involved with societal norms. But ultimately the libido has the final say.   Doesn't much matter whether the cause is nature or nurture or some interaction of both -- human sexual response is complicated, but ultimately is not a conscious a la carte selection for gays or straights. You can choose to call your goober a duck, but that alone won't make it quack. :)     - OS

  Must admit I'll never get over what I consider the absurdity of that view, Mark -- until you can convince me that you and I "decided" to be straight.   I certainly had nothing consciously to do with it myself, as Mr. Happy informed me of my "decision" early on, without any reasoning on my part whatsoever.   - OS

Now now, this is no place for a comparative religion discussion, or the nature of supernatural metaphysics in general. Thread likely wouldn't survive it. :)     Well, unlike the Christian Bible,  the Constitution can actually be "rewritten" by amendments and/or their repeal.   The Christian Bible, although also written by men, became what it is by the burgeoning Catholic Church's acceptance and rejection (and editing)  of a great number of texts over some 400 years until its purposes were served -- a sanctification by committee as it were. But unlike the Constitution, it is written in stone for some 1600 years now. And as long as Revelations 22:18-19 are adhered to, it'll stay that way. :)   However, both are similar though as interpretation has varied over time, whether by the Supreme Court in the case of the Constitution or religious synods of the various major sects in the case of the the Christian Bible.   I'll certainly give the Bible the edge as far as consistency of that over time, though, as Constitutional interpretation has been more stretched, shrunk, warped, and modified as the society has changed in just 200 years than has Christian doctrine in the last 1500.   On the other hand, there's only one USA and one ultimate court for final jurisdiction, while Christian dogma  since Martin Luther is much more fragmented, as the Vatican only determines about half of it, and the other half is quite diverse indeed, especially as relates to evolving social and scientific developments.   But the very fact that not all the major Christian sects officially agree on certain of these issues, and the fact that Catholic Church has evolved on several issues over a relatively short time (evolution, gay priests, whatever) is ongoing proof that these interpretations themselves are not as "written in stone" as are the texts themselves.   And like everything contemporary, the pace of change only increases. I'd posit that the Catholic Church will be only more and more influential in the coming years, and interpretation will flow from it more so than for many hundreds of years, especially noticeable here in the USA as Hispanics become closer to the majority of the population. Whether Catholicism continues to hold the same basic stand on various issues, I have no idea.   - OS            

Everyone seems to have been pleased with services they've received form our resident Nashville legal vendor, Chip Cain.   You might give him a holler for expertise or recommendation in the matter:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/forum/53-cain-law-firm/   - OS

  I'll only concede "Adam and Eve" in the relatively universal allegorical context among cultures but I'll acknowledge the general date of the written saga as around 2500-3000 years ago when human artificial insemination wasn't known -- but nonetheless the wider point is, to stay relevant, moral and legal judgements must address the contemporary society, whether it's Christianity or Constitutionalism.   The Christian Church certainly helped keep society in the Dark Ages much longer than it would have by its consistent attempts to squash most all breakthrough discoveries initially as heresy. Of course that has mostly abated, but took the lion's share of its history to do so.   Certainly, human artificial insemination and/or implantation would have been just as heretical in 500, 1200, or 1800 as was any of the early astronomers' discoveries. But I know of no mainstream Christian sect that sees it as "against God's will" these days, although I suppose the fact that lesbians bear children this way is personally disturbing to many (but haven't heard that the issue has been "ruled" upon by any particular religious body). The present conflict seems mostly limited to issues of stem cell growth and cloning.   But it does serve as an example of how things do change. For better or worse I'll not even debate as that's all a different discussion.       Can't take credit -- Anthony Burgess, A Clockwork Orange.   - OS

  "Approximately 4,000 to 5,000 births per year are due to artificial insemination with donor sperm, according to Xytex, a large U.S. sperm bank." http://www.livestrong.com/artificial-insemination/#ixzz2V1ZxQQIR   The ole in-out in-out not required. :)   - OS

Mine's the Military in camo: (not my pic): Helluva knife. But I've sort of gotten away from carrying liner or frame lock folders. - OS

  Thus, you'd constrain folks professing other religions to use the Christian Bible as the only acceptable construct for debate, even though they don't believe in the book to begin with?   - OS

  Illinois weapons statutes found here:   http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/ptfire.pdf   says that these three situations are felonies:   --------------- "24-1 (a) .... (8) Carries or possesses any firearm, stun gun or taser or other deadly weapon in any place which is li- censed to sell intoxicating beverages, or at any public gathering held pursuant to a license issued by any governmental body or any public gathering at which an admission is charged, excluding a place where a showing, demonstration or lecture involving the exhibition of unloaded firearms is conducted. This subsection (a) (8) does not apply to any auction or raffle of a firearm held pursuant to a license or permit issued by a governmental body, nor does it apply to persons engaged in firearm safety training courses; or (9) Carries or possesses in a vehicle or on or about his person any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or firearm or ballistic knife, when he is hooded, robed or masked in such manner as to conceal his identity; or (10) Carries or possesses on or about his person, upon any public street, alley, or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village or incorporated town, except when an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of such weapon or the lawful commerce in weapons, or except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (10) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet on of the following conditions: (i) are broken down in a non-functioning state; or (ii) are not immediately accessible; or (iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner’s Identification Card.   A person convicted of a violation of subsection 24-1(a)(8), 24-1(a)(9), or 24-1(a)(10) commits a Class 4 felony" ------------   Since the booze places and the public gathering situation is not covered by the carry permit, one may assume you would still be charged with a felony therein, even with a permit?   And still a Class 1 misdemeanor for any other place that the carry statute prohibits?   (I did quick searches through the carry bill, and see no mention of alternative penalties, so one would assume the existing ones stand for any violation).   - OS

Without poring through the whole thing, what's the penalty for carrying (with permit) in one of the restricted areas?   Same as carrying without permit at all (which is probably a felony there)?   - OS

So is it ejector or extractor?   I've seen both blamed in thread so far.   - OS

  It mattered here 4 years ago, for a month or two, till original "bar carry" statute was suspended by court order, and new one passed later.   - OS

  I think his contention is that it was not busted in this case?   - OS

  From reading about its progress on another forums, seems it's bullet proof, state preempted.   I think Chicago can still have its onerous stipulations about actually owning a handgun in the first place though, don't believe anything like that was made void.   - OS

  It really is, and I never thought if enacted, it would be on shall issue basis as it is.   Hopefully a stepping stone to further loosening restrictions, though I might say the same for here. At least seems places can't criminalize permit holders with a frigging sign.   I think we should all send Rahm a message of thanks, as surely this couldn't have been passed without Chicago's support, eh? :) :)   - OS

Zero recognition of other states' permits too, I've read.   - OS

  Them thangs that tell the utility companies how much you owe. ;)

  Nope.   Was only commenting on nature of city ordinances in general.   - OS

  Yeah, first of all, it's so wide ranging that it seems most anybody would use some of the terms frequently, regardless of the subject of conversation.   But, btw, national security wise to what exactly does "clouds" allude?   - OS

  Fine and/or jail.   Most offenses are equivalent of state Class C misdemeanors ($50 and/or 30 days).  Knoxville has some higher fines involved for various offenses but AFAIK max jail time on any are 30 days. If any property damage or labor costs are incurred as a result of the misdemeanor, can also be assessed those, too.   I imagine most cities in the state are similar.   - OS