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  That was my initial reason to get one. Like many people I kept a heater in vehicle most of the time anyway. Didn't even know it was illegal until I got popped for it in '95, that's how little I paid attention to gun laws back then.   - OS

  No. That simply refers to 39-17-1311. All cities and counties are still able to prohibit park carry, but only under the stipulations of the state law.     Ah, thanks, I did indeed overlook that!   Yep, for sure that allows them to ban shootin' within city limits. And Knoxville indeed does ban even indoor ranges inside the city, so they can continue to do that.   - OS

Seems to have been passed through the House Finance Graveyard Committee.

  You don't remember thread?  They were past Glock's recommenced service life for maintenance contract under some LE departmental certification program or some such esoterica. Of course not really worn out.   Long thread if anybody can find it.   - OS

Were they actually cocked and locked?   Didn't look for it, but big thread here somewhere when Knoxville asked for big money to switch out their "worn out" Glocks for SIG contract a year or so ago. Maybe special ops unit went with SIG 1911? Would think they'd want something with more capacity though.   - OS

Erik, FL has "dangerous weapons" or at least knives tied to carry permit in one way or other, right? Something like permit lets you carry any type or length, but without permit limited to size and no switchblade, something like that?   - OS

  Nope. Any ole body. Even a convicted felon!   Only knife stuff they left it was in school statute, where really any knife is still verboten, and they added a little section with additional penalty for anybody using a switchblade in a crime. Duh. So criminals should be well warned that they should stick to a 12" Bowie knife to avoid the extra charge. :)   - OS

Oh, forgot your main question: our AG (somebody can find the link), issued an opinion shortly after the park statute was enacted, saying that a person could be convicted for carry in prohibited park even if no signs were present at all!   But no, no case law on that we know of.   - OS

  There have been a couple of folks busted for carrying in parks. I remember one nut in Nashville or Memphis that actually fired his heater in posted park.   Not many though, or we'd know about some of them, but probably more than make the news, like folks they've rousted for other stuff and then found a gun, I'd bet.   Dunno about how well the places were posted.   - OS

  If Haslam doesn't like it, he'll have House Finance committee find a way  to put a financial burden on that is more than they'd take in by enacting it!   - OS

  The only 3 new "weapons" laws, assuming Haslam signs.   - complete state preemption over all local firearms laws, including previously grandfathered ones (effective immediately) - carry of any legal loaded firearm by anyone not prohibited from owning them in a private vehicle (July 1) - no prohibition on carry any type or length knife (already signed) July 1   I think that's all?   EDIT: oh one more: - revised the parking lot gun storage bill to clean up wording about privately owned vehicle.   - OS

  Yes.   "( c ) (1) Each chief administrator of public recreational property shall display in prominent locations about the public recreational property a sign, at least six inches (6") high and fourteen inches (14") wide, stating:   MISDEMEANOR. STATE LAW PRESCRIBES A MAXIMUM PENALTY OF ELEVEN (11) MONTHS AND TWENTY-NINE (29) DAYS AND A FINE NOT TO EXCEED TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($2,500) FOR CARRYING WEAPONS ON OR IN PUBLIC RECREATIONAL PROPERTY.   (2) As used in this subsection ( c ), "prominent locations about public recreational property" includes, but is not limited to, all entrances to the property, any building or structure located on the property, such as restrooms, picnic areas, sports facilities, welcome centers, gift shops, playgrounds, swimming pools, restaurants and parking lots."   - OS

Felony to carry to go see him. A bit of irony there.   - OS

  Assuming Haslam signs it, of course.   - OS

  It'll be legal for ANYONE (who can legally own firearms) to have a loaded firearm of any legal type in vehicle, including one in the chamber.   Permit doesn't matter, one in chamber doesn't matter. That whole section is repealed and new one inserted in its place.   - OS

  No, up till now any local firearm ordinance passed before 4/8/86 was enforceable, regardless of what it was. 39-17-1314 is worded such that a city could even ban guns totally as long as it was before that (though this never arose). Indeed, Knoxville even has such a ban, an old law duplicated across the state here and there, and the one Kwik took on in Belle Meade).   But I digress. Knoxville has not had to enact any signage at all, since their local ordinance doesn't call for it, but is binding because it was before the cutoff date. In other words, the parks statute 39-17-1311 simply doesn't figure in at all here. Until this new bill is signed, then the old ordinance will no longer be legit and they'll have to conform to 39-17-1311 one way or the other, either allow carry or ban it and add signs.   Yeah, I don't have a handle on the 'Nooga thing, not sure just what law they depend on there, but if it's a local ordinance, it's gone any day now.   Nashville itself has had an iffy relationship with the law as I (don't) understand it. The point being, Knoxville was told by the state attorneys that they could NOT modify the local ordinance on parks, or it became invalid, had to stay intact as it was before 1986. So they either use it or repeal it and use the state law. They decided, mostly told to by Haslam as he was mayor when it went down, to leave things as they were.   But no more.   The point is, no city or county will now be able to enforce ANY ordinance that affects firearms in ANY way, they can only prosecute under state law.   Which means they can no longer ban shooting inside the city limits, seems to me, at least as that being the crime -- can I suppose still do  noise/nuisance type stuff I  and whatnot I guess.   Air rifles don't fit under the state statue, so I guess Knoxville can still legally ban firing those, as it does now.   Anyway, I think this is going to have a bit more significance overall than people might be initially thinking.   - OS

  There's like an echo in here? (I gave him the direct link to GA) :)   - OS

    Yes, the one I'm discussing in this thread passed,  see the link in first post.   It is not the "park carry" statute, which failed, but rather the strengthened state preemption bill. It makes any city which is banning park carry under a previously allowed grandfathered local ordinance not able to do that anymore.  They must either get in sync with the state statute to ban it or allow carry. This of course includes signage, which is a significant effort and expense for a burg the size of Knoxville, so they won't be happy campers either way they flop on this.   It also takes away any other local grandfathered firearm law in the state, though I'm only aware of the some places using them regarding parks.   - OS

From Sportsman's Guide of all places. Only actual functional firearm I've ever known them to offer. How can they sell these without FFL or C&R but can't do same with Mosin? Is there a hundred year rule besides regular "antique" status or what? http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/m1889-schmidt-rubin-rifle.aspx?a=1692596

  Somebody read the riot act to him. Probably threatened to disappear his first born or something.   - OS

  But for Haslam's pet House committee, we'd have had that and open carry both this year.   - OS

I wonder if the city admin is aware that as soon as the more sweeping preemption bill is signed, unless they take quick action, it will be immediately legal to carry in Knoxville city recreation areas.   http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/default.aspx?BillNumber=SB1612&GA=108   For those of you who don't know, Knoxville relies on a pre 1986 grandfathered local ordinance to ban carry, and no signage required, you just have to "know", ignorance of the law and all that.   So, now, if they want to continue that tack, City Council will have to make formal resolution to opt out of 39-17-1311 and put up the proper signage.   Which I'm guessing they will, what with Madame Mayor being a liberal Dem. We'll see.   - OS

  Everyone should read this -- this is the real story of that subcommittee, which is simply a tool for the Guv.   - OS

I zapped land line maybe 5 years ago, although about 6 months ago I got the VOIP service with Comcast, only because I got a better deal by taking one of the ever evolving bundle deals with phone.   I put a vintage ATT phone on it for the hell of it and got first call within 5 minutes of activating service. Rang 10-15 times per day. I picked up on them for awhile out of curiosity, and found that at least some of them were because whoever had that number before was the target, but I guess lots were just random too.   Most obviously robo dialed too, as I seldom actually get a message recorded, I guess something in that process triggers a give up response on their systems.   Anyway, cut ringer off, and I think the only time I've actually used it is to find my cellphone when I hide it from myself particularly well a time or two a month. :)   - OS

  And that committee is "special", just read Stacey's rant on it. No way it is representative of the entire Houses's bent on any given bill.   - OS