Oh Shoot

  My guess is that Kwik ain't together enough to have survived riding a bike, likely would have been snuffed long ago trying to prove some point or other.   - OS

  Well, I hope every judge and LEO in the state heard that too, because it sure doesn't specify it in this statute like some of the others.   - OS

  Yeah, I was being at least half facetious.   Anyway, should be no real prob with handguns, as most every biker has some sort of tote attached. Loaded long guns would present a prob I guess.   Just never any consistency between all these weapons statutes though. Like, with a permit, a long gun is okay "in or on" motor vehicle and parking lot statute mentions "container securely affixed to such vehicle".   Just typical gray doofus crap.   - OS

Couldn't say for sure, but of course a motorcycle is a "motor vehicle", any way you want to cross reference it in TCA. So as long as it is "in" something attached to the cycle? I mean, the only reason things can be "in" a car is because it has doors and a roof attached to it. :) One of these would probably suffice: - OS

  Yeah, I looked 'Nooga ords up in the past, was quite surprised. Hell, we can't even legally shoot an air rifle in Knoxville.   - OS

  I wouldn't presume to know your finances, but the odds are quite high that you couldn't afford one. ;)   - OS

  True enough ... but TICS (or NICS, or both) does the same, just doesn't seem to catch as many of them for simple 4473 check, don't really know the diff in what's searched, though. The somewhat lame excuse I read somewhere was that without a final determination, they can't be sure that the final charge wasn't copped or bumped to another charge that would be disqualifying.   They also changed their policy on the variable requirements and price for new residents with out of state permits about a year ago, now all must submit to the whole drill and pay full price. Of course, the original policy was their call only, too.   A more blatant disregard for 39-17-1351 though is the shall-issue-within-90 days thang, though it's not too common anymore seems. Personal experience with that myself, with both initial permit, and though renewal is not 90 day specified,  mine took 4 months and that was after calling about it (never did find out what the glitches were in either case). But Lisa told me in person at a gun show about a year ago that they would NOT issue a permit before all background checks came in, regardless of the 90 day provision.   You'll notice that there are very few administrative laws on the books that specify any type penalty for anyone when the state disregards them, eh?   But anyway, main point here is that the OP isn't being treated any differently than anyone else in the same circumstance. You can bitch about the process, but he isn't a special case for discrimination or whatever. He didn't really need a "legal opinion" just explanation of the status quo procedure.   But okay, my "legal opinion" is that the HCP requirement itself is unconstitutional, how's that? :)   - OS

  Well, you said "get our TN driver's license and handgun carry permit taken care of". Can't do that without the course.   - OS

  He's being treated same as everyone else. TNDOS will not issue a permit to anyone when they find record of a charge with no formal final disposition. If same crops up during a 4473 check from NICS or TICS, one will be denied firearm purchase also. Happens routinely, and others here have had same problem either with purchasing firearms or getting HCP, or both.   There is no "case" at this time because he hasn't been "wronged" at this time.  If you want to go all Spartacus on something, try the legitimacy of needing a carry permit in the first place under TN's own constitution.   - OS

Y'all have already taken the HCP course and have the certificate from it, right?   You'll find the Strawberry Plains office often a pretty long wait. I went all the way over to Maryville last time I had to mess with CDL, 15 min.     - OS

Best I remember, this with polymer lower was just under 5lbs without mag when it was in shown config. Hey, it is an Armalite Rifle Pistol. :) - OS

  He's only applying for a HCP for c'sakes. They asked for additional information, he has supplied it. Whether his situation needs a legal thrust down the road remains to be seen, but procedure appears to be completely routine so far.   - OS

He doesn't need a lawyer unless he's denied. And he won't be, assuming those are all the pertinent facts.   - OS

I can't have any spare lowers. Just proved it again.   - OS

  If that's his only DUI in last 10 years, it's not disqualifying.   - OS

  It lets you "vote" much as you want, but total doesn't change when you do. At least on a PC.   - OS

  My point is that to my knowledge, a non-felony conviction for a drug related offense is not a disqualifying event for obtaining an HCP, not whether yours counts as such or not.   There are lots of folks initially denied HCP just because the final disposition record of some charge is not up to snuff some way or other. They'll do that for any charge, whether it was a disqualifying one or not. We know that because any number of them have posted here. Sometimes it affects NICS/TICS check simply to buy a firearm, but more often it seems to crop up with the more detailed check the state runs to issue HCP.   - OS

Actually not quite as onerous regulations as I expected, but it will be a long drawn out affair up there, and doubt if we've seen the last of federal court actions before it settles out.   - OS

  I do believe you'll find this to be the case, and it's TN background check causing the hiccup, not federal.   To my knowledge, even a drug or drunk conviction will not prevent issuance unless it were a felony. After all, you can still get HCP with multiple drunk driving convictions, just as long as any two of them haven't occurred in last decade. And none of those "definitions" from other statutes you mention are cited in the HCP statute as being relevant.   I'm betting that your proof of disposition will clear the way. Keep us informed.   - OS

  Duplicating my post from the other thread, which was first:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/79043-cnn-poll-hit-it-quick/?view=getnewpost     prob is, a network may report results as "news" on broadcast, IF results fits agenda of course.   So it can't hurt when gun forums are alerted. Happens all the time, and you can watch the results change as word gets around the net.   - OS

If you clear cookies from CNN each time, you can vote over and over. edit: didn't work on this one, guess IP is locked in, but it does work on a lot of them.   Anyway, these kind of polls are a joke, but the channel may use them as "news" on their broadcasts too -- IF results fit their agenda. So I guess it's good when gun forums are alerted on gun control related ones.   - OS

  I too played with a couple back when the Net was young and the scams first started appearing. Would just take a minute a pop on my end, but could tell they were laboriously spending time to compose on theirs.   One, I "sent" the money, but it apparently "got lost", had they guy going spending time checking on his end and whatnot...   - OS

  Problem is, they don't have to ask the gun carrier to leave now. That's why there are so many signs, the biz owner doesn't have to have any backbone at all, doesn't have to confront anyone, swear out complaint or testify. Just has to get a LEO there while gun carrier is still in store.   Not sure they want to give that up.   - OS

  Yeah, almost said the same, but thing is, that gives the non-private private property owner a feel good power nod, maybe easier to get passed.   Just like the deal with the new knife law -- switchblades legal, but if you commit a crime with one, it's a separate felony -- just a sop to assuage knife namby pambies.   Btw,  advice to robbers -- use legal-to-rob-with 12" Bowies just to be on the safe side. :)   - OS

  No. All they could do if they wanted to make the effort try to make a stink with issuing dept in the home state, like to try and get that state to nuke it.   By law, TN recognizes all other states' permits.   - OS