Oh Shoot

Couldn't say. I've never been anywhere near the middle of a bell curve on almost anything in my life. But one could cost you a possible but unlikely night in jail and one unlikely but possibly your life. - OS

Also a chance a gat in the car could save his life. Point is, it's legal in this state for an 18 year old to own a pistol. It's legal for an adult to have a pistol in his private vehicle in this state unless one has had a disqualifying episode. Chance of a dumb cop making an issue? Well, whatever, life's full of possible bad things, but we seldom face the ones we most worry about, and even if it happened it wouldn't be that big a deal in the end. - OS

Weren't you saying that a 20 year old in possession of a handgun in his auto would be in violation of that? - OS

Dave and I were merely giving opinion of what the law would decide about liability. Mine with pretty decent background since this has been discussed here before, with a couple of attorneys chiming in. To conflate that with our being "pro signage" is quite the stretch. Perhaps you can think of another example where behavior specifically allowed by a TCA statute could be found as negligent? - OS

??? That only refers to prohibited transactions by an FFL. - OS

What a strange interpretation. Shoot the messenger, eh? - OS

I think you'll find that liability case law would require prior knowledge of a specific threat to which the owner failed to respond. Certainly not for adhering to a practice specifically allowed by statute. - OS

Me too really, but turns out I really like it. Surprisingly nobody seems to make just a plain pinky for it yet, but you can use a compact mag in it with this baby, just a little longer (if at all) than a pinky alone plus gives you 3 more rounds: https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Grip-Adapter-Use-Sig-Sauer-P320-250C-Compact-Magazine-in-P250-320SC-Sub-9mm-40-/351633255327 Uplula is your friend here, at least for a while. Last round of full size 17 rounder was same, finally loosened up so can do it with just fingers, but just barely. - OS

Nothing realistic that I can see. - OS

I'm not talking trespass, I'm talking violation of 39-17-1359. The proposed amendment mentioned above doesn't change that. A cop can arrest or ticket you for it, with or without a complaint, same as now. - OS

Unless a statute mentions age, law is binding for any adult, which is of course 18 years old. - OS

The store owner could still call a cop without speaking to you at all to see if he will arrest you, just as it is now. Or a cop sees you and does it on his own, just as it is now. - OS

Just to be pedantic, having one of them thar Engleesh degrees and all: It's simply a crude em dash, meaning "to" or "through" when used with things like numbers and dates (actually an en dash is proper but most don't know the diff and use the em, which is acceptable). "- -" is the way you make it on a typewriter or if you don't know how to do it on puter or your word processor doesn't convert it. Although since the statute numbers on each side are necessarily made with hyphens, the writer may have actually used the double hyphen instead of true em dash to set it off more explicitly than using a true em dash. - OS

Nothing says they have to give you your permit back if you reapply, only that you have recourse of a judicial review. As far as Embody, I suppose they had their choice of offence. Me neither, but I guess that's part of the process somehow. At least one person here reported that their HCP was indeed suspended after a DUI conviction. And folks have been prevented from buying firearms due to an alcohol related conviction within the previous year, so obviously there is a reporting mechanism in place that works at least part of the time. ?? As I said, it's in "39-17-1352. Suspension or revocation of license" I suppose you could argue that, but I'd say the prevailing ruling would be that the "$500 only" is there simply to specify that no jail term can be imposed, unlike other Class B 'meanors. That doesn't mean you can't be smacked by another statute provision. Just as though you can have loaded firearms in your personal vehicle without a permit in one statute, you can't legally do that on school property, posted lots, or employee parking if your boss prevents it by policy in two other statutes. Yes, seems pretty clear to me. Seems obvious they used the "--" because a single dash has to be used within each statute listing and you would have had a superfluous and confusing "-" in the sentence between the two statute listings. If they had only meant either of the two statutes specifically, a simple "or" would have been the obvious choice, even for the legalese verbal oafs who write some of these things. Again, though, there have been so few cases that we know about, we also don't know if that part has even been enforced, or if so, ruled on. - OS

I'll give 'em an A for ingenuity. Now, if it only had adjustable angle too ... - OS

Colorado is a long way to drop off a package. Seriously, though it is indeed case law to support a prosecution, it only applies to the area of that judge's jurisdiction. Also seriously though, nobody ever gets charged with having a firearm in their vehicle in PO parking lot, 'cept maybe an employee. - OS

TN cannot override federal law (even though sometimes it thinks it can, like Firearm Freedom Act). - OS

I looked over TCA on the hunting regs, and can find no exact wording to support that quote. Sounds like a summation of a TWRA "ruling", much like an ATF one. I honestly don't know what's what regarding that. - OS

Wouldn't you have to be holding the firearm to be "hunting"? - OS

Any firearm. Statute changes three sessions ago. - OS

In TN you may have any loaded firearm in a private vehicle, no permit required, simple as that. To leave in vehicle on school property or posted property, you do need a permit. - OS

9mm only last time I knew. Absolute cheapest available at Wally for a good while there. - OS

Tip: you don't need to do that extra step, just paste the image URL directly into the post where you want it to appear. - OS

Yep, they're generally about as reliable with various ammo as the best renditions from any maker. When I first got my XD Subbie 9, I tried everything I could to see if I could produce a stoppage, like mixing different loads in same mag, shooting with no wrist at all, etc. Having said that though, I did have two stoppages with my XD 9 Service last time I was out. Both with the Win USA Forged stuff, so perhaps that is one load they may not like, not sure, haven't shot much of it yet in various guns. - OS

It's one thing to have a 'meanor on your record for a traffic offense, even including drunk driving. But having a gun offense on your record could well taint your chances for everything from landing that job or security clearance. Just the way lots of folks see it, about the same as having a drug conviction, except even "scarier". - OS