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I can see the rifle version before the pistol. A brace on a AR pistol does more for ya than the birds eye grip on the pistol. Hell, an AR pistol with just a bare buffer tube laid alongside cheek is more precise by far. - OS

65 clams cheaper at Brownells, and choice of two styles even: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/lower-receivers/scr-lower-receiver-assembly-w-bolt-carrier-prod86792.aspx

On actual S&W site (just appeared?), it does mention the grip safety. https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-380-shield-ez-0

Odd they don't even mention the most prominent feature at all in description. - OS

You answered your own question. The other alternative is like any number of other states do it. I.e., gun signs don't have the force of law per se, and you must be asked to leave, facing a possible trespassing charge if you don't. But to do that, the law can't be based on it being a crime to walk past a sign from the gitgo. TN is one of a minority of states that begins all gun possession law with the fact it is illegal to have a loaded one period. ("A person commits an offense who carries, with the intent to go armed, a firearm or a club.") Then gives a bunch of exceptions in various situations. Then tells you where you still can't even with some of those exceptions. Etc. It's all backassward. - OS

What would compel the LEO to ask, rather than arrest you? Still his choice, even with your added wording, just like now. Citizen's arrest if you don't comply? Most store personnel don't want to confront a gun toting person. That's why the law sucks, they can be passive about it unlike in some other states, and just call a cop because it's against the law from the gitgo. And again, that makes posting more likely IMNSHO. - OS

To assert this addition sets a requirement for notification to leave the premises is reading comprehension mired in wishful thinking. - OS

I'm a cop who gets called off the beat to deal with something like this, maybe I'm thinking maybe I should have an arrest for the hassle. There is simply no requirement in there to tell someone to leave so I can't arrest them. The "It is an offense to possess a weapon in a building or on property that is properly posted in accordance with this section" wording remains in the statute. Now, if the manager has already asked them to leave, and they didn't, I'm thinking if a properly posted biz, I'm charging them with both a trespassing AND and a 1359. Obviously, PD policy may well determine how this goes down, but if left to one's own volition, I can see the point of view. Not speaking to "cop negation" from one who is a big 2A proponent in general, just human nature. - OS

I spend a week with my mom every other month, and we eat out every day. I go where she wants. That includes Panera, Outback, Cracker Barrel , all three of which have had anti-gun issues in one form or another. Probably some other places. Of course the Kahr in my pocket doesn't care. - OS

My point is, nobody is required to, just like now. - OS

That means a cop is required to ask you leave before citing/arresting you? Quite a stretch for a vague gerundive phrase. - OS

Where do you people keep interpreting that this bill requires anyone to ask you to leave? - OS

Again, read the bills. I added links in post above. The first sentence of each still reads "It is an offense to possess a weapon in a building or on property that is properly posted in accordance with this section" The penalty of Class B meanor for 1359 violation remains, this just modifies one sentence in the entire statute. Store managers don't like to confront people with guns, this won't make that any more frequent on their part. - OS

Read it. ONLY if asked to leave, eh? One reason so many places post is because they don't have to confront you directly, can just call a cop. This doesn't change that. The cop could of course ask you to leave, or he could arrest/cite you. A cop could also just do it on his own volition if he decides you are carrying in a posted place. Maybe it's a slight improvement, I dunno. No big whoop. House Version: http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/110/Bill/HB2484.pdf Senate version: http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/110/Bill/SB2336.pdf - OS

See 39-17-1350: "(a) Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, any law enforcement officer may carry firearms at all times and in all places within Tennessee, on-duty or off-duty, regardless of the officer's regular duty hours or assignments, except as provided by subsection (c), federal law, lawful orders of court or the written directives of the executive supervisor of the employing agency." (much more, with some exceptions, see full statute, but none of them would seem to prohibit eating at a restaurant, posted or not). - OS

Already covered on previous page. It does NOT abolish criminality. Does not require they ask you to leave for one thing, can still just call a cop to arrest you or a cop seeing you could do it on his own. - OS

Seems to me it's all the same "innuendo story", just parroted and tweaked by different sites. Beretta 92 got much the same crap early on, when something like just 2 or 3 guns had the slide come off after many thousands of rounds out of all the thousands of guns. Which Beretta remedied. - OS

Ah thanks...I do remember that now, duh. It never seemed clear enough to me with the second hand account to know exactly what the deal was. But assuming it was purely only a 1359 violation, even back in '07, they did indeed pull his permit as per 1352 also. Of course back then, he was also facing possible 6 month jail stretch too. - OS

Signage standard now in effect for everyone: "A sign shall be used as the method of posting. The sign shall include the phrase "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED", and the phrase shall measure at least one inch (1") high and eight inches (8") wide. The sign shall also include the phrase "As authorized by T.C.A. § 39-17-1359". (B) The sign shall include a pictorial representation of the phrase "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED" that shall include a circle with a diagonal line through the circle and an image of a firearm inside the circle under the diagonal line. The entire pictorial representation shall be at least four inches (4") high and four inches (4") wide. The diagonal line shall be at a forty-five degree (45 degrees) angle from the upper left to the lower right side of the circle." - OS

It's perfectly legal to sell normal ammo without a federal license. Unless you manufactured it, so it must have been his own loads, not LC. There are also restrictions regarding armor piercing, would have to look that up. - OS

Tracers are now considered armor piercing? Or both tracer and armor piercing, is there such a thing? Course, you can't manufacture and sell any ammo without a license, just thought that part was interesting. - OS

I'm relatively certain it's never been mentioned here or would have remembered. Would certainly like to know what the outcome was. - OS

That was the proposed law. Actual enactment was quite different, it protects from liability anyone who does NOT post. - OS

Nice bon mot, but realistically, not unless you point it at the cop. - OS