Oh Shoot

  You should have no trouble selling them for at least 60% of retail price, maybe more.   But not here unless you become a Bennie. :)   Your Mini experience is mystifying, I have two and they've been as reliable as my ARs, which is to say, rock solid.  I have had a couple of stuck casings, but have on my ARs also. Nothing that a gentle Garand stomp on the Mini or gentle mortar on the ARs hasn't easily cleared though.   - OS

This has been kicking around for over a week now, but I'm reserving opinion on just it means and any crossover effect on other rulings. One, I really want to see the first two pages of the opinion, to get a better handle on reasoning behind the decision and which is likely therein also a more complete picture of it. A few things are worth noting though right off the bat. - this letter is to a manufacturer, Black Aces Tactical, not an end user, from the Industry Services sub-department, and not the head of the FTB overall - also from "acting" director, which makes you wonder, do these guys talk? I am at heart wondering if the ruling isn't really basically saying that the company can not market the configuration with any intimation of it being fired from the shoulder, simple as that. We already have a clear ruling that "improperly using" the brace by an individual does not change its determination as "not a stock" into "a stock" and in no way even suggests that the "improper use" is unlawful. You will note however, that even after the second ruling on the brace itself, neither Alex at SB Tactical nor SIG have any advertising at all regarding shouldering the thing. Indeed, one ARFCOMer who received a lot of flack has written for an opinion as to whether making a pistol with SB with "intent" to use it from the shoulder constitutes in fact making an SBR. His reasoning being that both the definition of a pistol and a rifle include the phrase "intended to be fired...". Of course, even though the language of the USC includes the "intent" thing, and even if ATF agrees, doesn't mean that it's constitutional, but more so is clearly unenforceable as far as the individual is concerned (the prior intent thing). But of course fairly clear cut if a company advertizes it as such as part of the reason for the configuration. Meaning, ATF may, just to be compliant with the wording in the USC, contend that while it's not unlawful to use a brace against the shoulder, it's unlawful to make a firearm with the brace with the intent to do so. Just the kind of BS non-real-world nitpicking that you generally expect, and completely unenforceable for an end user even if constitutional, at least until we have a Minority Report type law enforcement system. Another factor is, I don't fully understand just what the configuration really is, except that this cat Max agrees it's 26" or more in OAL. Now, if this is the actual configuration, then it's pretty clear he is granting that the buffer tube and/or brace is contributing to that OAL. Which is actually another issue, and Dolo has a letter into ATF about that very thing, ie does a buffer tube or whatever on an AK pistol contribute to its legal overall length same as it does with a firearm which requires it for operation, ie an AR direct impingement pistol. This has never been an issue before with handguns until the niche 26"/VFG decision, but so far all we know for sure is that ATF says OAL is measured to the end of the stock or firearm, so what constitutes counting as part of the firearm? So far, the only thing we know is that a direct impingement AR pistol is of course able to count its receiver extension into that. We'll just have to see how this sorts out, and if there is any kind of clarifying ruling that comes out, or whether ATF will just leave it in state of FUD as is their cultural tendency. I don't understand why Black Aces Tactical seems unwilling to post the first two pages of the letter. At any rate, whatever the hell the thang is, they are indeed apparently releasing it: - OS

  Yep. They never really took off in mainstream demand till Dirty Harry, then SW had to crank up the line. Then 90% of the folks who bought one during the craze wound up selling them and demand returned to the norm.   - OS

  Well, properly, it's shouldn't be capitalized either, that's just my Engleesh habit. ;)   - OS

  Oh, I'm watching it. It's historic and I'm a junky.   To echo TNHawk though, shouldn't it be in Español as default?   - OS

  Unlike any other prime time address he's made since he's been in office, he did not formally request the air time for this one.   Of course FOX, CNN, and MSNBC are carrying it, as it's news.   - OS

Not unusual at all, many reported here over the years. It can also happen with buying a firearm, but is not as clearcut, as you have to appeal the denial, then wait better part of 3 weeks before you can find out exactly what the prob is.   All due to court records not being in correct final form in some officially required way or other. The further irony is that the charge does not have to be a disqualifying one for the permit, or to buy a firearm.   - OS

At the least,  transporting firearms as per FOPA regs will certainly cover you anywhere in the SouthEast.   As I guess you know, anyone not prohibited from ownership may now have loaded firearms in their vehicle in TN.   Certainly, no probs in Bama any more than in TN of bringing your TSA compliant-packed firearms for checked luggage on a flight.   - OS

  Has always seemed as certain % of TGOers just figure in a couple hundred or so a year in fines as normal part of driving. Really.   - OS

  Ah, so that was you, huh? ;)   - OS

  Yep, agree and have opined the same several times. The "state support" part is key. There's a reason that state offices in general have not taken the same stance for employees, who do not work under the same "at-will employment" rules as private companies.    Think about it, a state employee being fired for exactly adhering to the dictates of a state law? The same outcome would happen for an employee or student in state school too.   - OS

  Seems more likely than not that you'd never see a dime from the type of people who would be suing you for shooting their criminal loved one.   - OS

  Well, yeah, except you'd have to endure the suit and get the ruling of justification before you're immune.   And then, "the court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by a person in defense of any civil action brought against the person based upon the person's use of force, if the court finds that the defendant was justified in using such force..."   I think a lot of people think that as long as you weren't charged criminally, that means your shoot was ruled justifiable, and that's really not the case at all -- it takes a court to do that. As I understand it, either criminal court if charged, or the civil one if not charged.   - OS

  They must have gotten overwhelmed, as I've ordered from them twice, one got out in couple days and as I previously mentioned, the one at first of the month in 4.   Hopefully they didn't actually take orders for something they expected to get in but didn't actually have in stock at the time, I really hate that.   - OS

Nifty. Hey, what is the overhead structure on telephone poles? - OS

I thought it plenty "good enough". They can't all be as stellar as the generally deemed "best" ones.   Name any  movie you like, I'm sure you wouldn't equate all scenes in it as "good" as your fav scenes.   - OS

  Pray tell. I don't keep up with the actual futbol.   - OS

  ??   Remington is not cutting out production, only winding down a location.   And btw, a lot of Glocks are made in USA. Only reason you can buy a G42, for most recent example.   - OS

Hey c'mon, probably had good batteries: - OS

  Might want to hold it a while though; M92 has dried up again, if M85 does too, will be worth more.   - OS

  Eugene.   Yeah, several folks got that right off. No worse than some of the other technical fails, especially with firearms. They take such care with script and stunt preps but fail to simply run some of the stuff by actual experts in the field.   - OS

So sorry of this misfortune ... praying in my way for your long term health.   No stranger to this sort of thing in my family: my dad blew out colon, had ostomy for about a year, they reconnected later. I myself had a right side hemicolectomy in '05 for a per-cancerous situation they couldn't remove any other way.   Do they say your ostomy is permanent or possible reconnection later?   - OS

  Thanks. Yeah, have read on other forums the PSA tubes are oversize,  more than the 1.02 1.20 max spec of either brace.   - OS

Really nice looking heater!     I echo this. More upright angled grip makes amazing different in ergonomics for a short LOP firearm. Takes all the tension off wrist/elbow/shoulder from the standard AR grip angle.   Hey, so what's that buffer tube? And looks like the SBX isn't nearly all the forward on it, but I can't tell what's setting it back?   - OS