Oh Shoot

Without FFL interaction, it's more specifically:   - Illegal for a seller to transfer any firearm to resident of another state regardless of where the transaction happens.   - Not illegal for a person to receive firearm in another state, but Illegal to bring it back into his home state.   - Oddly, there is no specific restriction on receiving a firearm in one's home state from a resident of another state, unless he has reason to believe the firearm is stolen. Always wondered if one couldn't be charged with abetting a felony or some such for knowingly doing it though.   - OS

  I've ordered from them many times also, but my experience and I think the more common one is that quick happens, but slow is the norm.   - OS

Just mentioned on national gnus tonight it is an immediate huge hit in China.   - OS

  Without a public ruling referenced on ATF site, one of them letters addressed directly to yours truly, or notice someone actually prosecuted for it, not gonna worry about it myself.   - OS

  TN recognizes all out of state permits held by residents of other states. If you are moving here from another state, your out of state permit is valid for six months.   TN law requires a TN permit for TN residents after the 6th month of residency. Since you are already a resident, having been so for over 6 months, any out of state permit you can get is not valid in TN. Anyone who tells you anything different is wrong. The maximum penalty for carry in public without a valid permit is 11 months 29 days in jail and/or $2500 fine.   Perhaps those folks you mention will bail you out of the pokey if things go south. Maybe the LEO won't notice a discrepancy if he doesn't run an ID check on you or see your TN driver's license. Best of luck.   - OS

  Believer in that myself. All five of mine I had slinging CLP out the side along with the shell casing the first couple of mags.   Actually have initially soused up every new semi-auto, pistols too.   - OS

  Wow, sounds like a gummit lawyer wrote the part after the colon! ;)   - OS

  After six months of residency in TN, you must have TN permit to carry, so it's non-sequitur.   - OS

  I quit SHOULDing most stuff years ago, so no worries there. ;)   - OS

Well, in the realm of ATF's "administrative law", you've got diametrically opposing "letter determinations" to individuals -- and unless ATF actually decides to enforce any of them by actually prosecuting an end user, none of them mean jack in the real world.   I would think that before they had even a wobbly legal leg to stand on to do that, as long as these various braces, stabilizers, cheek risers and etc are allowed to be legally sold and attached, the agency would need to publish a general official ruling regarding the matter of actual usage.   While "ignorance of the law is no excuse", I can't imagine that any court would determine that I could be convicted on the basis of an individual letter the ATF sent to you. After all, those letters are not written for public dissemination -- and we only even know about some of  them because the recipients choose to share them.   Of course, ultimately, the case would have to be decided on the merits of interpreting the actual USC on the matter, as was US vs Thompson Center Arms. That one turned out well for the firearm community, significant lessening ATF power to selectively prosecute folks for nitpicking matters of firearm construction and parts possession, and I would expect similar results from a case arising from how one merely chooses to operate an otherwise lawfully constructed firearm.   The only clear cut thing the ATF could do that might stand muster is to reverse it's original decision on these braces period -- and declare them stocks. But pretty hard to put that cat back in the bag, what with SIG being such a big player if nothing else, plus there's still the "disabled person" issue, however rare in actual practice that sort of usage may be.   - OS

  Well, if they want to enforce it, just takes a BATF field agent showing up at your local range and observing, eh?, and/or disseminating the word to local LEOs all over that it's now a crime.   They would only need to sting a few folks for the word to get around in a hurry in the firearm community. Though I feel it wouldn't stand in the courts as I've already indicated.   However, meanwhile, you gotta know some of these creeps in ATF are currently giggling at the confusion they've created.   - OS

  I'll say that I have never had a rifle or pistol that would not hand cycle successfully run correctly with live fire using same components. On the other hand, I agree with the above, I haven't handled every gun in the world and you won't know absolutely until you shoot some rounds through it.   - OS

  Volquartsen extractor piece of cake to install, heavy paperclip, tiny screwdriver or whatever to hold back spring, and most don't even change the spring just the extractor. That's what I did. Found most all the "rounds that the 10/22 doesn't like", they are liked just fine now.   Whole bunch of different kind of failures simply due to poor angle on factory extractor not holding spent case properly all the way back to ejector. You can file the factory one, but then it's still the soft MIM with even less support, compared to hardened one that Volquartsen uses.   - OS

  Al Capone and the like, basically.   - OS

  Yeah I have 10 or 12 of them, run perfectly in two different 10/22s. My previous Butler Creek steel lips mags were never 100% until I did the silicone spray trick inside them.   Music, if you have original factory extractor in your 10/22, that could be the prob. That thang accounts for a host of feeding/jamming problems on any given 10/22 that masquerade as something else.   - OS

  If that's true, only Alex Bosco can have one on his pistols at all.   - OS

  Not worried about it for now, at least for where I normally shoot.   Hell, if somebody else would pay for defense I might volunteer to be a test case. :)   Also, ironically, none of these "letter decisions" specifically mention that an AK pistol with SIG brace becomes an SBR if shouldered, and the Bradley letter specifically allows firing from the shoulder with any pistol, so at least half my SIG brace usage is so far not verboten even by any letter, to whatever degree they will or even can be actually enforced.   - OS

If anybody wants to follow the saga in chronological order:   1. Original SIG brace approval letter: 11/26/12 - John R. Spencer, Chief, Firearms Technology Branch   SIG Brace legal to add to a pistol, no mention of "usage" ------------------ 2. Sgt. Bradley Letter: 3/5/14 - Max M. Kingery "signing for" Earl Griffith, Chief, Firearms Technology Branch (whatever that exactly means)   Using brace "improperly" in way not intended by manufacturer does NOT change classification of firearm ----------------- 3. Black Aces Letter: 10/28/14 - Max M. Kingery, ACTING Chief, Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch   Shouldering the short barreled shotgun type "firearm" would make it an SBS. Also without mentioning it, allowed buffer tube/brace to add to the legal OAL of a firearm which did not require it for operation, thereby extending the current operating procedure of what constitutes the "firearm" for purposes of measuring OAL. ---------------- 4. Current letter under discussion: 11/10/14 - Max M. Kingery, ACTING Chief, Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch   Shouldering AR pistol with SIG brace makes it an SBR ----------------- 5. Shockwave Blade Letter: 12/15/14 - Michael R. Curtis, ACTING Chief, Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch   Shouldering any pistol with Shockwave Blade makes it an SBR -------------------------   Note that if Max "signing for" Earl in the Bradley letter means Max wrote it, then he has directly contradicted his own opinion in both the Black Aces letter and this one.   - OS

All very interesting lately.   - Now we have three letters from two different "Acting Chiefs" of this "Technology Industry Services Branch" that directly conflict with the letters by John Spenser, previous Chief, and  by Earl Griffith, the current Chief of the (I assume) more top level Firearm Technology Branch.   - Both the Black Aces letter and this letter dated in October and November, by Mr. Max M. Kingery who was "acting Chief" of the TISB.   - Note that Mr. Kingery's tenure was evidently somewhat short lived, as the Shockwave Blade letter is dated December 15, as is signed by TISB "acting Chief" Michael R. Curtis, presumably replacing him in this "acting" capacity.   Perhaps this will force the issue such that ATF has to release an actually official blanket ruling rather than the ongoing series of letters to individuals. And if that ruling says that how a legally configured firearm is actually used determines the difference between lawful use and a felony, I would expect court action to follow. Whether that would take an actual individual being charged first or not I don't know   The bottom line is though, that short of issues of public safety (think autos and flammables for example), conservation/ecology (think pesticides/hunting laws for example), or of course crimes committed against others, I can think of no area of law where how one actually utilizes an otherwise legal possession determines criminal behavior. I would posit that is a principle that is more basic that merely the area of firearm law itself.   But even within the context of just firearm law itself, this decision seems tantamount to ruling that firing a handgun using two hands or firing a stocked rifle or shotgun from the hip would also change the classification of the weapon also, with whatever attendant legalities that could ensue from that behavior, rather than the actual configuration of the weapon.   - OS

  Loved both of those myself. But like most every flick that comes out, I'll see it in a year or so on HBO, SHO, MAX, or STARZ. Still just as "new" to me. :)   - OS

  And will open in some independently owned theaters tomorrow also, with apparently wider theater release first of the year.   - OS

It's amazing that any of the Appeals Courts are finding for gun rights in any form. Just was learning today from Rush's show that all but one now has majority Dem appointed makeup. And BHO has 85 more appellate judgeships to fill.   - OS

  We already had a small service:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/84340-rip-joe/   - OS

Roddy McDowall? ;) - OS

  Left over from my early seduction days. Really, they are around 40 years old. Kind of gives pix that Hollywood title look a lot of old movies used to use I think.   - OS