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  Well, again, they're not common to see on a LGS rack, probably because they sell purt quick. ;)   But yeah, they've made  them for a long time, and yeah, they used to sell and fit a second cylinder for you if you only had the .357 or .45colt if you sent the gun in and paid about 150 bucks. Can't remember if they still will, there was a guy not terribly long ago who reported on that but damn if I haven't forgotten if he said yeah or nay on that.   There was even a 38-40/.40 S&W/10mm version at one time. I actually shot a 10mm BlackHawk once, I'm pretty sure it was a TGOer owned it too, can't remember who that was either. Hmmm.   I did buy mine (.357/9mm) from a LGS in 2009. After looking for one for better part of year locally off and on,  just happened to ask again at a particular gun store, guy looked in his distributor's inventory online, they had like 6 of them, he ordered it, had it in 3 days.   - OS

  Prob is, it's tough to win the GOP primaries without the religious fundamentalist vote.   - OS

  I don't know which will prove to be under parks and which will not. Any place that sits entirely within the confines of a park "should be" under 1311 -- you'd think. Then again, you'd got federal law example where you can't carry in federal buildings completely within park boundaries, just as a juxtaposition of something similar.   Though the statues don't mention it, maybe will be argued under what division of the city/county a facility is administered may make a dif, who the frig knows. Some counties will have more pull than others to "tweak" the actual statutes, or at least think they will, who knows.  I just think it's going to mostly be a facility by facility hassle as time goes along. Obviously logic doesn't necessarily figure, especially with the weapons section of TCA enforcement, since as usual there are separate statutes that don't exactly jibe with each other.   Coliseums and sports arenas are generally not within park property, but most are certainly used mostly exclusively for recreational purposes. Would seem any that are even partially owned or managed by the city/county would fit into 1311, but I imagine these will be particularly heated bones of contention.   - OS

Having had a polymer lower that broke, I would never consider throwing an extra 2 bills at one. Especially since if it ever craps out, it's another 2 bills to replace.   - OS

  Sure, they still make them. In both .357/9mm and .45colt/.45 acp   Can't necessarily find exact model you want at any given time, but they're not overly rare. Bud's had couple models of .357/9mm and .45colt/45acp last week when I looked for example. Right now have a couple of .357/9mm models, but reserved for "Team Bud's" folks right now.   Some new ones on Gunbroker too, including the Lipsey's flattop version too.   - OS

  Note that "nitride" is generic term for trade mark named processes like Melonite, Tenifer, etc. Many espouse properly nitride treated barrels as superior to chrome lined.   - OS

  At least the onus of a Class A Misdemeanor has now been removed. Perhaps we are going to finally get test cases on 1359 charges as a result of this. The two biggest gray areas regarding it being "compliant signage" and also losing your permit as per 39-17-1352.   - OS

  Don't see how you can "resist arrest" if you weren't being arrested in the first place, and an arrest requires a reason, ie a charge.   "Interfering with a police investigation" is sometimes trumped up as reason for arrest -- but in this case have never heard any mention of an actual charge of any kind.   - OS

  Well, it's not legal anywhere to arrest a person with no charge, AFAIK.   - OS

  Well, can't say I do. Saying that "Since open carry of handguns is already legal in TN, there is no need to carry long guns to protest" just doesn't compute since:   - The Texans are striving for something we don't have in TN either, constitutional open (and/or concealed) carry of handguns.   - Unlike Texans, we can't carry loaded long guns in public period.   It looks like Texans may actually make only a partial gain this session,  to be able to open carry handguns with a permit only, same as here.   - OS

  That amendment was rejected along with another one that had been passed, not in final bill as passed, that emerged from the conference committee after they were at loggerheads.   AFAIK, here is the final bill, as submitted from the conference committee and passed by both chambers:   http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/109/CCRReports/CC0001.pdf   - OS

Don't think anyone has brought up the circumstances of his knife? Which is not illegal in MD, but may or may not be illegal in Baltimore, and may or may not be why he was initially confronted and/or arrested?   http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/0422/Freddie-Gray-death-Should-it-really-be-illegal-to-carry-a-knife-in-the-city-video   What is the official reason for the arrest, anyway? Meaning what was the charge?   - OS

  Certainly won't be the only one. TN weapons law traditionally leaves lots of gray area. It's what evolves when you start out with premise that possession of a loaded firearm is unlawful period, then add 50 exceptions, instead of beginning with no restrictions and adding some very specific ones.   - OS

  FWIW, Wiki claims joint ownership:   "The Bridgestone Arena is owned by the Sports Authority of Nashville and Davidson County and operated by Powers Management Company, a subsidiary of the Nashville Predators National Hockey League franchise..."   - OS

  Situations not really comparable IMO.   - It is unlawful to carry a loaded firearm in public in TN.  Most can pay for the privilege to carry a handgun openly or concealed. It is unlawful to carry a loaded long gun in public in TN period.   - In TX, most can pay for the privilege to carry a handgun, but concealed only.  They wanted unlicensed open carry of handguns. Since it is not unlawful there to carry loaded long guns in public, they used that to highlight the issue.   - OS

Since thread started, have now seen one in middle of 'Nooga, dead on side of East Brainerd Road.   Still haven't seen any around Knox.   - OS

How about a TN Constitutional amendment that every other session, the legislature can only repeal laws, not enact any new ones?   How about a US Constitutional amendment that does same?   - OS

  Yeah, the de facto claim of a database of any kind connected to the 4473 is the interesting part.   But further, ATF has made up rules for it that aren't in Brady Law or anywhere else. They whole "are you the actual buyer" field is based on ATF whim of definition, like so many other rulings they've made.   Hence the guy who got hammered for "lying" on the form. Two people who passed background checks through FFLs, yet one gets a felony because he was given the money upfront, while the same series of events would have been legal if he had simply taken the money after the fact. Ridiculous. As per federal law, a subsequent transaction is only illegal if you know or have reason to believe the tranferee is a prohibited person.   - OS

  Revision of 39-17-1314. Removed all authority of local ordinances regarding firearm/ammo legislation, including grandfathered ones previously allowed, except for discharging them, location of firing ranges, and carry by city/county employees and contractors.   Knoxville prohibited carry by pre-1986 city ordinance, not via adhering to 39-17-1311 and hence didn't have to post.   I was one of the few folks who seemed to find it pretty significant at the time.   - OS

  Little bit. Main ongoing thread right under this one started 5 weeks ago. ;)   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/86472-hb-0995sb-1171-parks/

    Just another newsman, big deal.   Hell, Knoxville mayor and police chief have been wailing about how local authority to carry in parks was lost, when it actually went away a year ago now already. I wrote a comment on local news thread asking if our city attorney actually has a law degree.   It's probably not really significant, even if it's not "officially" in effect till assigned, as doubt anyone would try to enforce it because of that kind of technicality.   - OS

  So is "other building facility, area or property owned, used or operated by any municipal, county or state government, or instrumentality thereof, for recreational purposes." in 1311.   Seems the clear distinction between the two is the recreational component.   On the other hand, 1359 specifically only excludes some recreational property:   "This section shall not apply to the grounds of any public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof. The carrying of firearms in those areas shall be governed by § 39-17-1311."   On the third hand, it includes "other similar public place".   - OS

  The final bill said "upon becoming law". My question was when does that actually happen, on signature only, or on being assigned to Public Charter?   The revision to parking lot bill on the other hand indeed said July 1.   - OS

Precise legislative question:   Is law really enacted immediately when signed by Gov, or does it have to be codified in-house there or whatever,  showing the "Became Public Chapter xx" on bill progress?   - OS

  It's not so much "what" but "where". Seems clearly confined to athletic field:   "...athletic event or other school-related activity on an athletic field, permanent or temporary, including but not limited to, a football or soccer field, tennis court, basketball court, track, running trail, Frisbee field, or similar multi-use field"   Identical phrase now in both 1311 and 1307.   - OS