Oh Shoot

  Not to mention the 50-100 clams out of pocket to do it.   - OS

  Forgot about that change, thanks, getting on up there I guess. After revising everything maybe a year and a half ago to where everybody had to do the whole schmear, this did pop up relatively recently.   Though since the course is half about Tennessee carry/self defense law, it's beyond me how they any another state's training substitute for it. For that matter, don't even know why legislature allowed even the military one, since the legal part ain't there either.   - OS

  Yep, unless you fit one of the categories Monkey just posted.   Used to be various options/pricing for permit holders moving here, depending on which state. No longer. No state's permit matters currently  -- everyone has to do the whole drill -- course, fingerprint, full fee.   However, your permit is honored here for 6 months after establishing residency, by then you need to have a TN one.   - OS

  Agree about the liability part for sure, but note I edited my post, looks like open carry of firearms with a permit is legal in MO now, with state preemption, so at least the "legal" part of doing it seems okay as per state preemption.   OpenCarry.org, btw, has not been updated in a long time, info really unreliable there, maps and etc.   - OS

  Yep, and I bet the DA they're running it by tells them tomorrow that their "briefly" is well over.   Never mind on the other thing I mentioned, I read statute too quickly, apparently they had an "endorsement" on license or something in past,  but now a regular carry permit suffices.   But wait! Seems that open carry for permit holders has been legal since about six months ago, with state preemption. Can't seem to find if that applies to long guns though, but guess it must or these guys wouldn't even have tried it, surely they looked into legalities. MO, like TN, honors all other states' permits, too.   Assuming that's right, this mentioned statute is non-sequitur in the first place, should have expected that with any initial news coverage regarding firearms or firearms law.   - OS

  That doesn't use double extractors does it? Those for separate right/left hand eject models they used to make I guess?   - OS

  If you'd read the article, eh? ;)   But the statue that allows it is very odd, regarding the issue date of permits -- I guess that means it's being phased out of the law?   Also the "briefly"   might be pretty "brief" indeed depending on the DA.   "Open display of firearm permitted, when. 571.037. Any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued prior to August 28, 2013, or a valid concealed carry permit, and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, may briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self defense.     (L. 2012 H.B. 1647, A.L. 2013 S.B. 75)"   - OS

  No local shop is even remotely likely to have something like that laying around.   572 extractors, spring, and pin:   https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/Remington-33454/Rifles-37895/572-39538.htm?page=2   - OS

  Well hell, that's a bit of a letdown, but chin up, maybe it's not too advanced, plus they can do marvelous tweaks these days.   Obviously they must not be too immediately worried about it with a two week appointment to check further, eh?   - OS

  I believe anything. As my shrink friend used to say, "People. They're the worst." ;)   The worst witnesses anyway.   Remember Baltimore not long ago, a woman swore on camera she saw a cop run  a guy down and shoot him in the back,  turned out perp that shouldn't have even had a firearm had simply been chased and nabbed, no gunfire at all.   Something similar a week or two after the main whoopdedoo in Ferguson too I remember vaguely, more than one person said a cop shot somebody, turned out the perp fired a shot or dropped his gun firing it, something or other.   - OS

  Guess he should have redistributed his income? And what's that got to do with 2A?   - OS

  http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/89905-carly-fiorina-on-guns/

  Against the law to possess a loaded firearm period. Even doing so at your home is a defense.   People in other states don't usually grok that regarding "The Patron State of Shootin' Stuff".    Most states simply pass laws against certain actions with firearms, while TN starts with premise ALL possession of loaded firearms is illegal, and then gives a scatload of defenses or exceptions.   - OS

  You know, I've apparently overlooked the "place open to the public" exact wording of that, like forever I guess, if that has been the statute all along. Thanks for the clarification. Somehow I had in mind "public place".   But does that really mean like an actual building, biz, whatever, or just any public place where people are allowed (like a city street) ya reckon? Meaning, you'd think they'd use the word "establishment" if they only meant the former, as in the carrying under the influence statute? So is it actually the same as just "public place"?   - OS

  How does it work on the money if the stamp is denied -- do you get it back?   Meaning, if so, I guess you could just do the form to make SBS with config you want to do and send it in, either approved or it isn't?   - OS

  Technically, the prob with that might be that an SBS is made from a shotgun, and the AOW was never a shotgun?   On the third hand, I suppose you could make a normal GCA shotgun from the AOW, just as you can do with SBR to remove it from NFA purview, and then you would be making the SBS from a shotgun, and ATF just doesn't make you "prove" that "step".   - OS

  As you said, seems you can't use a stock on a smooth bore AOW, and I think that's what he wants to be able to do?   edit: nm, I see you mean to just make it SBS.   - OS

That's a good question.   If one starts with a shotgun, makes it into SBS, it can have a stock or not have a stock,  it's still an SBS.   But starting with an AOW adding a stock would indeed make it a SBS.   So the real question is whether you can make an AOW into an SBS, and I doubt you can.   - OS

  note: Illegal carry is gonna be a Class A 'meanor most of the time.   - OS

Posted in other thread too, perhaps this will help:   https://www.nraila.org/email/grassroots-alerts/2015/vol-22-no-31-08072015/   - OS

  In "public" as it were, yes,  but not on your motorcycle.   - OS

  See ArmyBrat's post.   Totally separate operations, no egg sharing, or roosters.  :)   - OS

  I don't expect any more realistic "gun stuff" for this one than the usual, especially if it touches on politics.   - OS

  Because 70% of the birds that were euthanized were egg layers not table birds just doesn't work for at least part of the answer?   Quick search suggests lots of egg farms went bankrupt cause of this too.   - OS

  Any time you are adjudicated incompetent to manage your affairs, that generally goes along wit it, nothing new there.   - OS