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Oh, maybe 10% more jolt. Not unpleasant at all through Kahr PM9 to me. But I keep reading that ALL 9mm will wear on you with the Kel-Tec after a few mags' worth. You'll just have to see how it is for you, I've never shot one. - OS

I think you'll find that biggest prob with .380 is lack of penetration, and that multiple hits with FMJ is your friend in that caliber. A big messy but shallow wound ain't gonna stop no bad guys. - OS

Them painters are mighty elusive allright. Since no verifiable kills since early 1900's in TN. Doesn't keep folks from continuing to "see" them. - OS

Yeah, people have been saying that since 1920. Only, there aren't any. - OS

4" Cold Steel folder in pocket (everybody carries similar, eh?) and Cold Steel Urban Pal or Super Edge with neck chain. - OS

United States import/export trade deficit, contributing to weakening US dollar vs. the euro. - OS

You mean church laws? What church? Or maybe Mississippi laws or something? - OS

Just download S/W Revolver safety/instruction manual. It's there...in BIG RED PRINT. - OS

It's sorta the middle ground. 147 gr. generally about the heaviest. My Kahr likes all 124 gr. that I've tried just fine. And I'm carrying the Golden Sabers also, in +p. Only shot one brand of 147gr. in it, but that was fine too. - OS

No worries mate...I guess I was so involved because of personal involvement with similar years ago; and even then, I should have looked up the LAW rather than base opinion on what happened to ME at the time. - OS

I forgot you were LEO. I haven't been on board long enough to remember who's who; also doesn't help that I've never actually personally MET anyone here, but hope to change that Well, thanks for posting the legal statute....I see then that it is possible with no extenuating circumstances for a going armed charge to be handled with citation, and I admit that I was arguing against that. Yeah, I don't know. Also, there were some other oddities with my whole situation, but I won't bore you with them here. thanks for the input, - OS

Yes, you do....didn't wade through the thread, but from his blog: "He got on the radio, sought and received permission to release me as opposed to booking me in, cited me with the Misdemeanor Crime of Going Armed, gave me my traffic cite as well, kept my 1911, TN Handgun Carry Permit, and spare magazine, returned the light and pocketknife, and sent us on our way." Some pretty extenuating circumstances there though, since cop could verify that the kid DID have a HCP up till recently, and did indeed concede that he (the cop) thought it was probably a mistake also. Also note that the cop "received permission" to cite/release, which would indicate that this was not the normal procedure. I think in the OP's original story of his friend: 1. I don't think a cop, however ignorant of the law, would have cited a HCP holder for going armed for having a visible gun in his car. UNLESS the guy had really pissed the cop off somehow, in which case I also don't think the cop would have let him off without taking him into custody. 2. Also, the story just doesn't ring true, as the cop supposedly was flogging him for having a "concealed" weapon. Cops always err the other way, getting all excited because the gun is NOT concealed. So, too much in this second hand account just doesn't jibe. and, 3. If the "friend" had NOT had a HCP in the same circumstances, it's almost certain that the cop would have taken him into custody if he were going to charge him with going armed. Hey, any LEO's reading this? You all arrest for going armed? And btw, just to make it perfectly clear, *I* know *I* had to make bail when *I* was charged with this about 15 years ago. I don't know if you saw my little saga I mentioned in another thread about a week ago? - OS

Pretty much wrong, I think it's safe to say. It's more or less like this: There is no data base were anything will "pop up" to a cop, except guns with serial numbers listed stolen (and I'm not real sure that is an "instant" check either, and if it is, the cop would have to be pretty suspicious to wade through serial numbers on the side of the road). Tracing a handgun in TN is a laborious process that has to go all the way back to manufacturer, then distributor, retailer, first buyer. Of course, the trail stops there if gun is sold by original owner to another same state buyer, as no paper trail of that transaction is even required by state law. You see, retailer is required to keep those paper transaction records for ?? years/forever?, but they don't go into any central data base. And what of all the retailers who go out of biz? Where are THOSE records? I dunno. Read some horror stories here about how long guns have been kept by LE to trace. So assuming records are kept as old as when your grandfather bought the gun, then the trail would indeed stop with him. But that sure won't "pop up" on anybody's screen, especially a cop's who is doing a traffic stop. - OS

Just more crap from that office. WHY should that even be an issue? Guilty or innocent, or plead down, or dropped ... since it was more than 5 years ago, it doesn't matter, eh? - OS

You will have to post bail for intent to go armed. At least in Knox County. - OS

I call BS on somebody here. I assure you that you do NOT "get a ticket" if you are charged with intent to go armed. You are arrested and booked. It is not a ticketable traffic offense. - OS

No, reckless driving has no effect on eligibility, even multiple instances. The only way it could is if you were currently under an indictment for something like that where you were facing a possible penalty of a year or more. (but even if you were found guilty, afterward you could STILL get a HCP, as long as it weren't a felony conviction -- ironic that, eh?) I understand where you are coming from with this, believe me (I ahem have a little bit of personal experience in that arena). But you know, if you ARE going to institute a DUI/time period clause, how can you legislate "degrees" of it? - OS

I only respond because I'm pretty sure I want a SA SC also. I'm thinking 9mm for me, because I already have a 9mm weapon. I kind of want to have 2 weapons in each caliber I seem to have wound up with, .357/.38, 9mm, .22, and 12 gauge. (oops, I already have 3 .38 babies, forgot about my derringer). While I'm not (too) paranoid or a bigtime "survivalist" I do still want to stockpile a reasonable cache of ammo should the general societal SHTF, and just don't want to have to invest in 6-10 types of ammo; plus would like the redundancy of two weapons for each caliber. I realize that only having about 8 weapons makes me a firearms piker by some standards around here :) And, as you mentioned, I like to shoot, and 9mm is still about as cheap as one can go for a lethally "good enough" round (can we leave it at that, folks?). BUT, if I already had a .40 I liked, and no 9mm, would probably go with that. Oh yeah, and I'll have to pick up a second shotgun at some point to complete the "plan". - OS

Well, right or wrong for practical purposes, I'm sure the lawmakers' intent was to at least partially ensure that the HCP holder is a socially responsible person. And of course, DUI is not exactly a paragon of social responsibility. - OS

Wow, you are a master of understatement! You can probably even open carry in a Kabul opium den, eh? - OS

Still do (was looking over the site). - OS

Well, just don't do it online, do at DMV so you have the paper receipt; that way it doesn't matter how long it takes, you're still good to carry. - OS

Yes, of course you are correct. I guess we are saying same thing. Since the permit office should receive the info the same day as it is submitted by you, since it's not carried by the same mailman who must WALK the issued permit from Nashville to your mailbox in 7-14 days (yeah, I know "issue date" means it still has to be printed and whatever before posting). Matter of fact, had heard such horror stories before doing my paperwork, I actually paid the few bucks extra at the fingerprint place to get the electronic proof of receipt. And it still took almost the whole 90 days before I had it in hand. More thoughts on all this later... - OS

To somewhat differ: Was confirmed by Lisa Knight personally to me that day fingerprints are done starts the clock. Assuming you do it on same day as application, then the application date is the beginning. Of course, both these datas are supposed to be transmitted to Nashville daily, so "receive" date should be same as "did date". Correct. Will have issue date on renewal, regardless of when you actually get it in mail (or not). - OS

We're an open carry state. Would indeed be quite impressive sidearm! - OS