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I live in Lafayette and I shoot at the Indoor Range in Gallatin. It is right behind the Sheriff Department on Waters Street. They have monthly and annual packages for membership. The folks there are real friendly and I shoot there twice a month. Check in on the pawnshop/Gun Store side and enter from there. They also give HCP classes every third Saturday of each month.

Just had to do it, did the Walmart shuffle an hour ago with brand new HCP and 642.

Received my TN HCP today. I applied and was fingerprinted 24 July so it was 54 days. No phone calls, I was getting ready to call at the end of this month.

Thanls CatsEye. Any other input on this? I have a feeling that any movement at all would warrant caution. Has anybody actually checked their loads close enough to find a danger point (discard round completely?)

That is some good to know stuff!

Sorry for being defensive, but if you read the posts previous to my last ones your civil neighbors were ginning up a lynch mob because I didn't post a HCP tag. I have a permit from another state and am currently watching the mailbox for my TN HCP ( I went the whole cycle, classes forms and all) and will toggle that tag when I have my TN HCP in hand. I pretty much detected that the FOP group was getting pretty hostile too. Funny because I am an associate member of the FOP.There are smaller departments out there that still have LEOs that don't understand enough of the law so I just wanted to know what I could do to get my gun back if they grabbed it by mistake. I was actually more worried about local LEOs in other states not knowing the reciprocal process. Didn't really mean to step on toes, I'll watch myself in future. I'm a retired old Marine Master Gunny, so I tend to have some rough edges.

End thread. I got my answer on another forum from what I believe is a senior LEO. Weapon doesn't enter evidence chain unless charges are filed ( which they wouldn't be in this case.) Proof of ownership anf HCP should get weapon back after diplomatic visit to senior LEO at station. Question came up in discussion between graduates of HCP class, of wisdom of carrying super expensive weapon with chance of confiscation. You want the best to protect youself but can you afford to buy a new one if gun is confiscated? As weapon will be returned if there is a simple misunderstanding, this is moot point. I didn't put HCP down because my current permit is from another state and I assumed that tag was for a Tennessee HCP. Should have mine next month and I'll toggle that tag then. I owned a business in the other state and had the permit to carry the gun on premises with no hassles. Sold business and now awaiting HCP from state I live in (TN).

As my legal service explained (they couldn't give me definitive answer to my question by the way.) once the handgun is confiscated, it is no longer your property but property of the state. The question of your right to carry that particular handgun is no longer an issue of 2d A rights but of ownership.

Can carry under another state HCP, but not carrying right now. . Applied for TN HCP after classes and all other procedures and currently watching mailbox. Question was simply a legal question I would like clarified before I carry a handgun here. As far as you have to have done something wrong to have your weapon confiscated or be arrested, somebody needs to get out of the house or probably post their LEO badge number. It happens every day, all it takes is a nervous person pointing you out to a store manager, who will report to the police using language that indicates more to the case than there is and I would just like to know if I am going to get my weapon back. By the time Officer arrives on scene the scenario has changed into a terrorist with a WMD and SWAT is on their way. The reason I ask, I was witness to such an encounter in MO a couple of months ago. Poor guy had more automatic weapons pointed at him than I did in Nam. TV later that night reported he was a local preacher and somebody paniced when they "saw" his gun. I don't know if MO has OC or if "printing" was the problem, but regardless the reaction was to a full blown shootout! You don't have to be doing anything wrong to get arrested, just have to have somebody else think you are doing something wrong. Not the LEOs fault, they are following procedure. but you will end up with your weapon confiscated and charges that will have to be cleared up later. Again the question, when the smoke clears do I get my weapon back?

I have a serious question. What happens if your EDC is confiscated by an LEO who doesn't know the law. Do you get it back or does it stay with the law enforcement agency? How do you get it back if it can be returned? I have heard rumors of court orders being required and judges demanding that a real and current reason for carrying be given (being stalked, having been threatened, etc) Forget 2d A rights, we are not talking right to bear arms, we're talking the legal trail for evidence. I need LEO and Attorney types to answer this, not armchair commandos.

OAL isn't my real concern. what I am worried about is the opposite: short rounds. I will measure the OAL of the bullet before chambering and then after ejected (unfired) for unloading after carry. How much difference (pushed into cartridge) in length before I am in serious enough trouble to just deep six round?

With articles all over the place about multiple chambering of .40 S&W ammo I have gotten a little antsy. Is there any research out there on just how far back the bullet has to be pushed back in the case to be dangerous? I used to reload, so I have Calipers, etc. I was thinking about miking my chambered carry loads after I unload and saving them for range (not first in chamber). But I would like to measure them for OAL and reject any that are over limits.

I shot 100% in HC class and all I got was a thumbs up! Sounds like I got cheated.

Probably got a group out there working that one up!

The next logical step in the "Patriot Act " mentality is to disarm the citizenry, this would come from the Right Wing. Both sides are a threat to gun owners! The argument of the Pro-Life group (I cannot find irrefutable logic in either religion or medicine, I think it must be on the individual's conscience) is that the government must step in to prevent a murder. This exactly the argument of the left on the anti-gun movement. The governent can prevent a death by removing the source, a weapon. If the gun isn't there , nobody gets hurt, ergo the government should remove guns. If everybody could be forced to give up guns, would it work is a moot question. It has already been decided by our forefathers in the Constitution that we are allowed to have guns. It is the law, so be it!

The main feature about a "Meat and Three" is that they run a daily menu with inexpensive specials all of which consist of a list of two or three meat dishes and pick three out of a long list of cooked vegetables. The list is always printed (usually in longhand) on a piece of paper inserted into the regular menu. They are informal and are nice places to take your best buddy (wife) to eat without having to get all dressed up. They also must have table service, not a buffet or cafeteria layout. They are not strictly a southern speciality. I grew up in Ohio and we had them there too, but most of them doubled as truck stops. Most of them around here will cost you $12.00 or less for a pretty big meal for two (cheap as Micky D's).They are real treasures for us older folks when we don't want to fool around with messing up the kitchen!

If you were take away all of the people who were not born on time at 9 months after marriage, most of us probably wouldn't be here! Time to get real folks! Personally I am more worried about that 6.1% unemployment rate and the mortgage foreclosure rates than I am about how many months till a baby comes.

Had it happen, with Model 19 S&W. It was the ejector rod working loose. Yes a revolver can break too. But, with judicious attention to said part and periodic maintenance to others I have never had a repeat. Autos also can be carefully maintained but you are at the mercy of your ammo. I just feel a little more comfort zone with revolver, but that is just me. Everybody gotta find their own comfort zone.

I watched the excellent HBO series "John Adams" on dvd this week. It started me into some serious thoughts about what we are doing today. First off, let me state that I am not anti-war. (I spent 30 years active duty in the USMC and have considerable combat time.) I personally believe that a strong U.S. Military presence in the Middle East is an important step for our own security. mainly to keep any super powers from arising in that region ( shades of UAR!) However I think that the reasons given my our administrations (note I used the plural) for their actions are off base. I speak mainly of the goal of setting up Demoicracies in the Middle East. Democracies have to develop from within. The French Revolution is an example of country trying to copy another. People forget today, but the French Revolution failed miserably, it led to an empire ruled by a tyrant. The democracy France has today is derived from later developments, all internal. Many South American attempts by the US to set up democracies have also failed. Why? And more important what does it mean in IRAQ today? The colonies had already lived under democratic, representative rule for a century or more. Each state had its own parliment of some sort. Until George III really started losing it, England had pretty much left the colonies to themselves. The tyranical taxation period was relatively a short period, brought on by England's need to cover the cost of her many little wars with her neighbors. Thus, the original American leaders had all lived as free men. In looking at the character, education, and strength of character of our leaders we were very lucky that so many strong men were in place at the right time and the right place. The very men who are in charge in IRAQ have not themselves been steeped in a free and democratic life. And I see no John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson among them. For sure, and this is critical, I don't see a George Washington at all. After viewing the DVD I have come to feel that democracies can only be formed and sucessful when strong men, free and wishing their fellow men to be free, are in charge. We didn't succeed because of our principles. We succeeded because of the men who clung to those principles and backed them up with action. I don't believe you recruit that kind of leadership in a country that has never known freedom and for sure you can't import them from somewhere else. If the people of IRAQ had thrown out Hussein and established their own government under their own chosen native leaders, we could have helped with advice. But it didn't happen that way! I think it is important to just be honest with the American people and say that we are in Iraq for military reasons that support our own agenda in the Middle East. If that agenda works in our favor, which it can, then that is enough. If the democracy experiment fails in IRAQ then the agenda still remains the same, shift troops or whatever you need but you have a valid justificaion for action. I would like to hear some thought on this.

Palin is great and our kind of person, but we need to be realistic. Vice President has very little authority or clout , other than to break a tie vote in the Senate. Many presidents have "retired" their VPs the day after inaugaration and never let them out of the room to do anything. McCain will still be President and contrary to polular belief, he is not a gun person. He is not strong on any civil rights including the 2d Amendment. Another "Patriot Act" and we will all be disarmed anyways (it is the next step.) Obama to me isn't even a choice. The Republican "appear" to be more pro-gun so I will probably go that way, but I don't really think selecting Palin ( I really like her resume, BTW) is going to change anything in this administration as far as our gun rights. If things calm down in the War on Terrorism, then we'll keep our guns under the Republicans. If things get hot or Corporate America gets antsy about the "public mob" then we'll lose our rights. For sure we lose under the Democrats. Not a good time for gun owners. I think Palin was selected looking more at 2012 than 2008. I am pretty sure Hillary will look more viable to the Democrats in 2012 and a Clinton vs Palin campaign sounds like a reality. No problem in voting in that one!

Although I don't own one now, I have owned and shot Taurus revolvers and autos. They were good guns and accurate enough for defense. I own S&Ws now because I can afford to buy them at this point in my life. I would not feel any less well armed with a Taurus revolver.

My family, on both sides, emigrated to this country in the 1880s and 1890s. This was the period of the greatest population growth in USA. Most of us are descended from ancestors who wren't even here during the slavery period. Most of the young men (and older dads) of the slave owners were killed during the Civil War. Slaveowners made up the larger portion of Southern Officers and most of the Southern Officer Corps were dead by the end of the Civil War. Most of those who can trace ancestors back to 1850 and 1860s will find their people fought for the Union to free slaves. Conclusion: You would be hard pressed to find any descendents of slave owners in this day and age. The rest of don't need to apologize, our families didn't own slaves. This isn't a racist statement, it is just a true reflection of history.

Likewise. I now have just about everything I need and quality pieces at that. I also have stocked up on my long guns. I didn't do it because of Obama though (I didn't know he was coming!) I did it because of Bush. I figured Patriot Act IV was going to disarm us (I,II, and III took away almost all of the other rights, why not 2dA?) As you probably know from other posts, I am a Libertarian and I don't see any relief from the Rape by both parties. We are going to live with this until we start using something other than gasoline and oil in our cars and industries. It is just too profitable to the real Ruling Powers to keep us under Big Brother's thumb.

To qualify my following statement, I am a Libertarian and used to be a Republican. I am a free-market conservative and not a Liberal. That said, here goes. I spent 30 years active duty in the Marine Corps and lived through most of the major pay raises. I started out a $57.00 a month Private and ended up a $59,000 a year MGysgt on Flight Pay. To the very best of my recollection and current research on Web to jog my memory, the major pay raises for the military came from Democrat Senators and Congressmen and were signed into law by Democrat Presidents. Historically (other than Clinton) Democrats have taken better care of Enlisted Men and NCOs than Republicans. I'm talking quality of life for Enlisted folks, not Army strengths and hardware. Even though I voted Republican (I was big on mutual funds and investing my money) throughout my career, most of my fellow NCOs voted Democrat. I don't think this an Obama thing, I think it is probably a long term trend in the military. Results don't really surprise me.

True with larger Semi Autos. However, my experience with .380 Semi Autos has been different. Can't explain why, won't try, but for some reason brand new .380s have a tendency to have a feed problem with full mags until they are broken in. First round ok, second round stovepipes. This was with single stack mags only. Happened to me on Astra, Bersa and Interarms PPK. Problem stopped after mags were used for awhile. It was the mags and not the guns. Tried older mags in new guns--no problems.Also, I use nothing but factory mags (no after markets.) Anybody else experience the same problem? Oh yeah, to original thought in thead. Nowadays I usually carry S&W J-frames, but do carry a BERSA Thunder .380 or the G23 on a whim. One in the tube, always. Bersa already has a strong trigger pull and I put NY1 in G23. I don't put finger in trigger guard until clear of holster, but gun can catch on something you are wearing. Hard but smooth trigger pull is just extra margin of safety. Since I shoot only DAO with revolvers I am used to stronger trigger press. Shoot only SD short range anymore so I don't need target trigger.