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Seriously - highly recommended. Made of aircraft aluminum (assuming that's good) - I beat the heck out of it and it works brilliantly (HAR!)...

Since I went on my diet late last year I had to find a new 'day beer', as stuff like Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is simple too rich to drink with regularity and expect to stay in good shape. To that end, I finally found, to my astonishment, that I actually like Miller Lite. To this day I find the fact stunning, but man, I really do like it...

As much as I hate it, how does it not fall under freedom of speech? Yah, it pisses me off, just like those who burn the flag, but if freedom of speech exists, it means we're going to have to hear stuff we don't like. Liberty is a double-edged sword... Based on a cursory reading of this case, I think the 9th Circuit got it right. I hate it, but I think it's the right decision.

Mike, this is what I use - it's incredibly well built, efficient, and very bright: Fenix's homepages

I don't work nights but i still find having a small LED flashlight on my key chain to be very useful. For example, was at the beach last week and the power went out in the condo, shortly after, the generator failed and there were ZERO lights in the stairwell. Made the trip up to the 16th floor MUCH easier and safer...

Wonder what that costs... anyone in TV world that can tell us what that would cost to run?

Definitely two catalogs I do not need to order...

I think that video is older than you are, kb4ns...

OK, well, maybe he needs be more careful regarding how he presents things, as for most folks it's a big leap from "i don't like them" to "they're a threat to me and mine". You know, being that we're communicating here and all... Of course not, and my experiences are similar, but none of the guys I know who have come back from terrible situations came back with a hair trigger ready to cross lines they wouldn't have crossed before their experiences, such as those we're discussing here. The world is a lot less black-and-white to them than it was before, but their character remains. Perhaps your experiences are different. Whatever. There have always been people ready to take advantage of situations in society, such as looters during most any civil break down. I guarantee I won't be one of them, but you seem to have already determined that it's OK to throw everything out the window and do what you want as long as you can get away with it. Whatever floats your boat. I'm done with this one, you can have the floor, feel free to attack my 'high horse' all you wish.

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Yah, if we include vehicles, I'm carrying several loaded mags for me G27 as well as a (secured) Sub2ooo with 60 rounds loaded and ready to go. Unlikely I'll ever need that little rifle, but if push comes to shove I'd rather have an offensive weapon (same caliber as my pistol, of course, but the Sub2ooo allows far greater accuracy and energy on target) with me than just be relying on a defensive one. IMO, part of being prepared is doing stuff the unprepared will think is weird and / or crazy...

Yah, agree 100%, though as I stated above, killing someone like we've been discussing (don't like them or to rob them) has, throughout all of history, been considered murder. That's my point, and that's definition is unlikely to change, even in a Mad Max scenario. The difference is what the repercussions are to murder in that scenario - they would be drastically different, obviously...

Well, the very fact he was willing to consider murdering someone for their supplies or because he found them annoying is telling enough, imo. If his neighbor was a menace, threatening him, etc., then it would be understandable, but 'take out neighbors I don't like'? Seriously? Meh, you missed the point, no need to even duck. My point wasn't that I would somehow be insulated, but rather that a man's character doesn't change with adversity, it shows. I guarantee you I won't murder someone because I don't like them or I'm ill-prepared, regardless of the situation. Not sure how you can seemingly rationalize otherwise, but whatever.

Yah, maybe, maybe something like that could happen, but heck, can you find one first world country that has fallen from that position that's crumbled to the point you describe above? You're talking about the most extreme possible SHTF scenario, one that is highly unlikely to happen, and even then, I guess we agree to disagree that basic human rights don't remain. That doesn't mean I expect to call the police when someone is trespassing - what it means is that time and again history has shown us that when the balloon goes up, most people remain civilized at their core. Don't read me wrong here - under the scenario you've described above, where individuals or small groups become 'the law' for their area, trials and such are a thing of the past and I won't shy away from doing what is necessary, but that's a far cry from going next door and killing someone just because I don't like them or because I want to drain their water heater...

You're really twisting what was initially said here - what started this entire discussion in this thread was the assertion that if TEOTWAWKI happened, he would go shoot his annoying neighbor and kill off those who had supplies he could use in his surrounding area - that's an entirely different situation than 'they won't let you leave' or 'they're threatening you (even vaguely)'. There's a big difference in doing what needs to be done and being an aggressor - no matter what's going on, killing someone who has not threatened or endangered you is murder, I don't care what laws exist (or don't).

I'm prepared to deal with whatever comes my way, but it won't change the character of who I am - I'm not going to murder someone for their supplies or because I don't care for them. Until / unless they give up their rights by threatening or endangering me or mine, they still retain those rights, in my world.

Yah, I'm with you 100% here. Normally I'd never consider it but I already have three VGC hex 91/30's, might be fun to make one that's a little diff. Let me know how it goes, I wanna see/shoot it when you're done. You should start a thread about it as you do it...

No so much!

I'm guessing you'll fit in there better - we tend to view the rights granted by 'our creator' to not be gifts from the government, but actual inalienable rights down here in the south... Face it, the massive difference between you and most everyone else here is that you're a murderer held only in check by the law of the land, while most here believe that everyone has the right to live as they wish, as long as they don't impinge on another's rights. Huge diff.

Ahh, I get it - so inalienable rights aren't really inalienable after all, eh? That's so very progressive of you!

So you think murder is a constitutional right? Talk about 'pick and choose only the parts you agree with kind of place' - physician, heal thyself! Have you looked for an OGO forum, perhaps?

You're kidding, right? Do some research - tons of shootings occur where both head and COM are covered or at least concealed. Sure, some happen at close range where only five shots are fired in total with maybe one missing, but unless you spend time training to shoot in stressful situations are moving targets that are potentially concealed, I think you're underestimating your potential foes. You think this experienced officer didn't practice shooting COM and head shots? You think he just had 'bad aim'?

Wow. You have serious issues, man.

Yah, this case is pretty much an 'everything you don't do as an HCP holder' type of situation...