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I started the one down below.... I felt it deserved it's own .... my fault though

Well heres more on the sig debacle...from another forum ..... just passing info along Direct from the ATF, Shouldered Sig brace requires a form 1. OPEN LETTER ON THE REDESIGN OF “STABILIZING BRACES” The Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received inquiries from the public concerning the proper use of devices recently marketed as “stabilizing braces.” These devices are described as “a shooter’s aid that is designed to improve the single-handed shooting performance of buffer tube equipped pistols.” The device claims to enhance accuracy and reduce felt recoil when using an AR-style pistol. These items are intended to improve accuracy by using the operator’s forearm to provide stable support for the AR-type pistol. ATF has previously determined that attaching the brace to a firearm does not alter the classification of the firearm or subject the firearm to National Firearms Act (NFA) control. However, this classification is based upon the use of the device as designed. When the device is redesigned for use as a shoulder stock on a handgun with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length, the firearm is properly classified as a firearm under the NFA. The NFA, 26 USCS § 5845, defines “firearm,” in relevant part, as “a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length” and “a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.” That section defines both “rifle” and “shotgun” as “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder….” (Emphasis added). Pursuant to the plain language of the statute, ATF and its predecessor agency have long held that a pistol with a barrel less than 16 inches in length and an attached shoulder stock is a NFA “firearm.” For example, inRevenue Ruling 61-45, Luger and Mauser pistols “having a barrel of less than 16 inches in length with an attachable shoulder stock affixed” were each classified as a “short barrel rifle…within the purview of the National Firearms Act.” In classifying the originally submitted design, ATF considered the objective design of the item as well as the stated purpose of the item. In submitting this device for classification, the designer noted that The intent of the buffer tube forearm brace is to facilitate one handed firing of the AR15 pistol for those with limited strength or mobility due to a handicap. It also performs the function of sufficiently padding the buffer tube in order to reduce bruising to the forearm while firing with one hand. Sliding and securing the brace onto ones forearm and latching the Velcro straps, distributes the weight of the weapon evenly and assures a snug fit. Therefore, it is no longer necessary to dangerously "muscle" this large pistol during the one handed aiming process, and recoil is dispersed significantly, resulting in more accurate shooting without compromising safety or comfort. In the classification letter of November 26, 2012, ATF noted that a “shooter would insert his or her forearm into the device while gripping the pistol's handgrip-then tighten the Velcro straps for additional support and retention. Thus configured, the device provides the shooter with additional support of a firearm while it is still held and operated with one hand.” When strapped to the wrist and used as designed, it is clear the device does not allow the firearm to be fired from the shoulder. Therefore, ATF concluded that, pursuant to the information provided, “the device is not designed or intended to fire a weapon from the shoulder.” In making the classification ATF determined that the objective design characteristics of the stabilizing brace supported the stated intent. ATF hereby confirms that if used as designed—to assist shooters in stabilizing a handgun while shooting with a single hand—the device is not considered a shoulder stock and therefore may be attached to a handgun without making a NFA firearm. However, ATF has received numerous inquiries regarding alternate uses for this device, including use as a shoulder stock. Because the NFA defines both rifle and shotgun to include any “weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder,” any person who redesigns a stabilizing brace for use as a shoulder stock makes a NFA firearm when attached to a pistol with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a handgun with a smooth bore under 18 inches in length. The GCA does not define the term “redesign” and therefore ATF applies the common meaning. “Redesign” is defined as “to alter the appearance or function of.” See e.g. Webster’s II New College Dictionary, Third Ed. (2005). This is not a novel interpretation. For example ATF has previously advised that an individual possesses a destructive device when possessing anti-personnel ammunition with an otherwise unregulated 37/38mm flare launcher. See ATF Ruling 95-3. Further, ATF has advised that even use of an unregulated flare and flare launcher as a weapon results in the making of a NFA weapon. Similarly, ATF has advised that, although otherwise unregulated, the use of certain nail guns as weapons may result in classification as an “any other weapon.” The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked. Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA. If you have any questions about the issues addressed in this letter, you may contact the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division at fire_tech@atf.gov or by phone at (304) 616-4300. Max M. Kingery Acting Chief Firearms Technology Criminal Branch Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division"

I am just copying and pasting from another forum ..... Could be BS but the letter looks rather legit.... You be the judge "Just posted tonight in a local gun group. This is the first specific letter I have seen dealing with the sig brace, and an AR15. This is not the same letter that you have all seen, it is new, as in tonight. Or you can wait a couple days or so and I am sure TAG or some other better late than never gun blog will have it in there." ]http://i.imgur.com/4eXqocy.jpg] ---------------------------- Edit to add new pics of entire letter that I received from the individual that wrote the inquiry. ]http://i.imgur.com/YnA2mTj.jpg] ]http://i.imgur.com/O7EOpTm.jpg] ]http://i.imgur.com/SBJBf3b.jpg]

Just ran across this .. Using code "4frosty20" American Eagle .223 = $.27 Shipped (for 300rds 15boxes) http://www.cabelas.com/product/Memorial-Day-Sale/Memorial-Day-Shooting-Gear|/pc/117118080/c/109345680/American-Eagle174-Rifle-Ammunition/734598.uts?avad=48247_c798a39e&WT.mc_id=al35987&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF PMC .223 = $.27 Shipped (for 300rds 15boxes) http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Ammunition/Rifle-Ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104532480/PMC-Bronze-Line-Rifle-Ammunition/731863.uts?avad=48247_e798d0d6&WT.mc_id=al35987&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF Remington 220 SubSonic 300blackout = $.70 Shipped (for 120rds 6 boxes) http://www.cabelas.com/product/Remington-Blackout-Rifle-Ammo/1379113.uts?avad=48247_d798568e&WT.mc_id=al35987&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF Remington 9mm = $.19 Shipped (for 450rds 9 boxes) http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=706093&avad=48247_f798ae5e&WT.mc_id=al35987&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF PMC Xtac 62g (M855) = $.30 Shipped (for 300rds 15boxes) http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=1395923&categoryId=0&parentCategoryId=0&subCategoryId=0&indexId=0&itemGUID=d648f344786b84187355b88217a80bf0&avad=48247_e798d106&WT.mc_id=al35987&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF Herters Brass .45acp = $.29 Shipped (for 300rds 6 boxes) http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=1305056&avad=48247_a7991c8a&WT.mc_id=al35987&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF

I agree .... I don't need it but I want it ha

:-).... This may just be BS but I ran across this picture on another forum that was currently being discussed Could just be a very very good photoshop job of a G42

AIM and Sportsmanguide are both OOS right now but PPU 10mm is between $18.50-$20 per 50rds

They are GTG as far as quality ..... I have bought all my radical parts through primary arms ..... That way I get super fast shipping and awesome CS either way

Pretty nice deal here... Even comes with an ammo can http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/wolf-gold-223-ammo-ammo-can.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjaCI3eoVxI   :up:

Well not exactly but these specs are very hard to ignore …. Especially combined with primary arms stellar customer service    These have been in the making for awhile now and I'm pretty pumped to try one out … Also this one has no auto shut off :-) so it runs all the time just like your standard aimpoints etc https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Advanced_Micro_Dot_with_Push_Buttons_p/md-ads.htm Micro Dot with removable base Ultra sharp 2 MOA dot New advanced technology LED allows up to 50,000 hours battery life Uses 1 CR2032 battery (included) 12 brightness settings Visible in bright sunlight Night vision compatible (the lowest two settings) Absence of parallax shift past 33 yards Black anodized finish Lowest profile emitter on the market Nitrogen purged Waterproof Only weighs 3.9 ounces Fits any industry standard Micro mount and gives stated cowitness Optional AR height absolute cowitness riser and lower 1/3 cowitness riser are sold separately. Three year warranty

The shooting sight Tav-D is getting better reviews and more praise than the geissele. Not to mention there has been a few reports of issues with the geissele .... I love geissele triggers and run them in the majority of my ARs but for the Tavor I would go with the Tav-d

I have ran tons of ammo from freedom and all of it went bang …. These are remans but its good stuff …. Free shipping until the end of the month $97 for 500rds of 115g http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-115-gr-RN-p/fm9r115r-b0500.htm   $101 for 500rds of 115g (new brass) http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-115-gr-RN-New-p/fm9r115n-b0500.htm   $101 for 500rds 124g http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-124-gr-RN-p/fm9r124r-b0500.htm   $109 for 500rds 147g http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-147-gr-RN-p/fm9r147r-b0500.htm   $167 for 500rds Hornady XTP 115g HP http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-115-gr-XTP-Hornady-p/fm9h115r-b0500.htm

I have roughly 14 rifles chambered in .22lr so I am glad to be able to shoot them again

They seem to be getting better ..... If only they could get on BCM or Primary Arms level of shipping .... Every order I've placed from either of them before 3pm ships same day

Seems like a good deal on a complete AR pistol ….. All the reviews I have read about radicals uppers have been positive …. These are built on Aero lowers   https://www.primaryarms.com/Complete_AR_15_Pistols_s/6686.htm

Sorry if this is a repost …. Read the entire first post on here …. Quite interesting   http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1624460_ATF_has_approved_post_1986_machine_guns_for_NFA_trusts__now_back_peddling__legal_action_pending.html

Sure do! Love it …. I have a couple … Heres my 300blk pistol

So get this guys at around 2am last night this upper was $499!!!! It was indeed a price error but Palmetto is going to honor the price for those who were lucky enough to order between about 2am and 5am Thats why they took the link down and its no longer listed on the website …. Props to Palmetto for honoring the price mistake though

Well this is the first upper I have seen by them … Seem like a great deal http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-pa10-16-308-1-10-ss15-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html Now you just need a lower from either them or aero and the rest of the small parts + a stock and you can come out with a nice AR10 pattern rifle for under $1000

Same here I have had a few of their BCGs ... One of which has probably 2000 problem free rounds on it with minimal cleaning .... Core 15 has far more positive reports than negative in my search

Indeed .... Order was placed 11/10/13

The price I locked in last November was what I got charged ... $311 for 5000rds which was normal for mini mags

Well last November I ordered 5000rds of CCI Mini Mags 40g from MidWay via this link below http://www.slickguns.com/product/backorder-cci-mini-mag-high-velocity-ammunition-22-long-rifle-40-grain-plated-lead-round-nos#comments I thought what the heck I will just order it (they didn't charge your card at the time of order) … Just got my shipping notification :-) It only took them nearly 9 months but I am happy to get some ammo at a decent price … I wish I could backorder some more

There are reports over on ARF of people getting E-file form 1's back in 30-40 days  :stunned: â€¦. A handful actually